"What’s funny about that is they assume my ambition is positional. They assume my ambition is a title or a seat. My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go, elected officials come and go, single payer healthcare is forever."

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[–] 267 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I'd vote for her. I'd also vote for Bernie again, if he ran again. I don't care about his age, all that would matter is he got into office, and established a cabinet, and had a good Vice President to take over.

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  • [–] 158 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Bernie is 84 years old.

    I am a huge fan of Bernie. Have been for over a decade. He is too old to be the president.

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  • [–] 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Shouldn't be getting downvotes for this. Bernie deserves to rest, he's been saying the same message for decades and it's up to us to make it better for him, now.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He's also incredibly sharp for 84....but he's 84...

    He'll be 86 at the next election.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Of course, and because of that he would never win an election, because people won't vote for him because "he's too old". Like I said, I don't care about his age, or that he would likely die in office, perhaps even in the first year. I'd still vote for him, because I agree with him, and I want his ideas in that office. That's why he'd need a good V.P. I don't understand why anyone would care how old he is, as long as they agree with him. Is it because he would probably die in office? Why does that matter?

    I don't care about Trump's age per se, I do care that he's got dementia. Bernie doesn't have dementia.

    Anyway, it's a pipe dream, and I'll happily vote for one of his protégés, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    The point of Bernie or AOC or Zohran or any socialist candidate is the movement behind them, which represents the will of the masses. The actual figurehead is largely irrelevant because everything they do is in the interest of their constituents. They might use their charisma to win (but usually it's the movement that actually wins the campaign), but once they're in power they just have to fulfill their promises, and they have staff to do this.

    A regular politician, by contrast, enacts the will of the corporate class. In this way they're mostly irrelevant too.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    More importantly, he's too old, and not aggressive enough, to win. We need someone that knows how to build and run a political machine, that can seize control of the party and purge the old guard. A true populist that can play a crowd. Bernie unfortunately lacks the killer instinct to overcome the establishment.

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  • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'd door-knock for her.

    Sheesh, and I haven't canvased for a candidate in almost 20 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I love Bernie, but he's terrible at choosing staff. I don't want him as president because I think he'd lose the war after winning the battle of gaining the presidency. Now if my choices were orange shit stain or Bernie, I'd be pulling out all my Bernie merch, but he's not ideal.

    Jesus, the Tad Devine hire alone was a disqualification for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    UAW Boss Sean Fein would be a good candidate.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    Well they need to get out and start doing media now. Regardless, a successful candidate is going to have to out in hundreds of hours in front of cameras and developing a level of comfort and ease of answering questions that only comes with practice and putting in the hours. It's also one of my biggest critiques of AOC. She also hasn't/isn't putting in the reps in terms of media cycles. When they do, it's very controlled and brief.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    She has work to do, because if she ran right now, she'd get eaten alive.

    Notice that AOC doesn't do very many hard interviews, and that when she gets a question asked of her that she isn't prepared for, she stumbles.

    AOC has been basically absent from leftwing media while plenty of other very solid progressives are out there putting in reps doing hard interviews in combative environments. AOC doesn't do that and is only does very controlled media opportunities. That's not good for someone who wants to be president. I don't think she's done the time like others have to be able to weather a primary.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    AOC doesn't do very many hard interviews

    Define "hard". If you mean antagonistic, that's because she wisely tries not to waste too much time and energy boosting the false narratives of the billionaire-owned mass media that bear a lot of the blame for how things got awful enough for fascism to return.

    she gets a question asked of her that she isn't prepared for, she stumbles

    As do pretty much anyone. Which is why she and most competent politicians make sure to be prepared for all possible pertinent questions.

    It still depends btw: do you call refusing to entertain a deliberately false narrative "stumbling"?

    AOC has been basically absent from leftwing media

    That's a bit of an exaggeration but she's not made herself available as much as for example Ro Khanna, I'll give you that.

    Ro and most of the ones making that many media appearances don't seem as genuine and principled, though.

    Whether that's due to the sheer volume of gotcha questions or because they ARE less principled, that's not a good look to the ones they need to reach.

    hard interviews in combative environments

    AKA contributing to disinformation by accepting their clickbait false narratives as legitimately in the interest of the people.

    AOC doesn't do that and is only does very controlled media opportunities.

    Yeah, imagine preferring to talk about the REAL issues rather than how everyone to the left of Ronald Reagan are either immature children or dangerous radicals 🙄

    That's not good for someone who wants to be president.

    I'd argue the exact opposite. If you mud wrestle with a pig, the pig beats you with experience and you get filthy no matter how well you do.

    I don't think she's done the time like others have to be able to weather a primary

    Dude. The way she ENTERED politics was by going from volunteering for Bernie to unseating a 10-term incumbent who was the third ranking Dem representative in two years!

    She has since easily beaten more right wing Dems favored by the DNC in primaries twice (and won unopposed except for the Republican nominee once).

    If anyone knows how to beat overwhelming odds and win against the experienced establishment favorite, it's her.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Fox news, Piers Morgon, are both very antogonistic as examples, and I would list Zeteo, any interview with Medhi or Pratt as a hard interview (I personally think Medhi is one of the bester interviewers in medi, hands down).

    It's not a matter of it being time wasting, it's a matter of putting in reps and communicating a message. It's about rhetoric and convincing an audience. Bernie finds time for those audiences. Ro Khanna finds time for those audiences. Ilhan finds time for those interviews. And go read the comments under those interviews: MAGA trust Bernie and Ro more than they do most of their own Republicans because Bernie and Ro have put in the reps, done the laps.

    And to volley the question back over the net, why does AOC get an accountability pass when all the rest of her squad cohort don't suffer from this same issue? Its not like they aren't effective or productive members of Congress, I'd argue quite the opposite. It was not the Cortesse-Massie bill that got the Epstein files released it wash the Khanna Massie bill that did, and Ro found ample time to take his messages and arguments before the people while doing so.

    It still depends btw: do you call refusing to entertain a deliberately false narrative "stumbling"?

    Let's take the example I gave. AOC got asked by dropsite if she supported her former chief of staff who is trying to oust Pelosi in California. A fairly gentle question from a friendly source about litterally the person who helped get you into Congress. And she fumbled it. Badly. In a way that should give any progressive pause.

    When Ilhan Omar was attacked by a maga supporter at a recent event she didn't back down. She litterally got in the attackers face in a way that should have made national headlines. We're she running for another seat, it would have.

    It's fair to juxtapose AOC against her cohort, and she is at the back of that pack in my view. The pack is still leagues ahead of other Democrats but that's beside the point, because now is when we need to make these evaluations.

    I'd argue the exact opposite. If you mud wrestle with a pig, the pig beats you with experience and you get filthy no matter how well you do.

    I think your an utter fool to believe you can get away from hard interviews. I will not support a candidate who can't handle the pressure of a campaign or read the room or the moment. That's how you get "Please clap." Jeb, and "Nothing would fundamentally change Harris".

    These politicians are not your children. It's not your job to protect them. They need to be held up and have their mettle tested before we need to rely upon them to be a backstop against fascism, not after.

    You not only have to be able to get jnto the mud and learn to wrestle with the pigs, you need to be able to do so and win. I'm not interested in someone who hasn't put the time in to win dirty fights.

    The candidate will have to face down Tucker Carlson or Candice Owens, or any one of the innumerable shit birds who have piled up on the right.

    Dude. The way she ENTERED politics was by going from volunteering for Bernie to unseating a 10-term incumbent who was the third ranking Dem representative in two years!

    Yeah and for the first two years she was a fire brand. Then something happened and she became far more reserved and calculating. She genuinely changed after getting iced by Pelosi for occupying her office. I think it impacted her and she shifted her approach.

    I need to see her taking harder more competitive interviews. I need to see her all over leftwing media and safe space interviews. I need to see her in spaces where her team doesn't control the questions getting asked.

    Because there are other progressives who had just as difficult if not more difficult fights than AOC has had, and they don't seem to have a problem taking in those battles.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    But to be fair, when is the last time that is there wasn't a softball interview or debate? A huge portion of the US population have never seen a real debate lol

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    There have been softball interviews and debate for liberal/conservative/fascist candidates the corpos like. Leftist candidates, on the other hand, get a hostile treatment or get ignored entirely.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Bernie takes hard debates ALLL THE TIME and uncle is strong because if it.

    Ro Khanna also. They take every media call they can and because of that they are very comfortable getting asked tough questions.

    AOC got a softball from dropsite about endorsing her former chief of staff who is challenging Pelosi, and she dropped the ball in an utter what the fuck moment.

    You gotta be tough to stand up to nonstop events and pressers and interviews that come with a campaign. AOC genuinely hasn't been putting in the reps and it shows.

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