▲ 290 ▼ US to revoke passports of parents with child support debt (www.bbc.com) submitted 3 months ago by fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 71 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 179 points 3 months ago (4 children) Normalization of removing rights. They're coming after political opponents next. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 56 points 3 months ago (1 child) What do you mean "next?" Watch closely which party the parents they pick on belong to. 10:1 odds they're disproportionately Democratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago *Black. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago I live outside the US but can't renew my passport because I'm trans. They started a while ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] outandinburger@ttrpg.network 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] GreenShimada@lemmy.world -51 points 3 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world [M] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) This comment was reported for "Racism" I have removed this comment, but not for that, as "Trustafarian" isn't a race - it's slang for "trust fund kids that live a hedonistic lifestyle". I removed it for misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Sorry, but just so I understand - what exactly was the "misinformation"? I'm not clear on what was either objectionable or incorrectly claimed to be untrue. For anyone salty about the fact that a government owns your passports, I don't have time to dig out a hundred statutes, but can you can refer to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7 and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passports-introducing-her-majestys-passport-office For the US and UK. Also, "Trustafarian" isn't a race, it's slang for rich kids that pretend to be poor and live a hedonistic lifestyle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kungen@feddit.nu 55 points 3 months ago (1 child) every single country plays it like that If I have a debt to the government, they send me collection letters and garnish my wages. They don't take away my passport for such stuff. Stop with the normalization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Not normalizing - I'm talking about only that a national government owns a passport. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 child) What the fuck is wrong with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago Nazi brain rot permalink fedilink source parent [–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (4 children) The US government may only revoke passports for reasons of national security. Someone being behind on bills does not meet that criteria. See Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. 280 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/453/280/ https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ "In Haig v. Agee, the United States Supreme Court held that the Secretary of State has the authority to revoke a passport when the bearer's activities abroad "**are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States." ** permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago ....looool! I find it funny that you would believe thatt the usa government would follow any laws at all loool. Like come on permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Supreme Court can make up whatever bullshit they want. They just gutted the Voting Rights Act, why not this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah that's why it was important to vote Dem in 16 but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago I did not get through the entire opinion, but don't think it says what you think it says. The question presented is whether the President, acting through the Secretary of State, has authority to revoke a passport on the ground that the holder's activities in foreign countries are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy of the United States. The court was not asked to consider weather passports could be revoked on other grounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Sure, which is entirely subjective. NSPM-7 clearly opens the door to anything and everything being an option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Freedom of travel is a right, it's why any states license is valid in any others. Unfortunately republicans have upped id requirements to include passports in common occasions, so this is actually an attack on freedom of travel. But since Americans get off on punishment most of us won't see a problem. Also because we're stupid, just see any comment defending this move. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Freedom of travel is a 5th Amendment right inside the US only - you don't have a right to move to France or Australia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] green_red_black@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 56 points 3 months ago (1 child) What do you mean "next?" Watch closely which party the parents they pick on belong to. 10:1 odds they're disproportionately Democratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago *Black. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago I live outside the US but can't renew my passport because I'm trans. They started a while ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] outandinburger@ttrpg.network 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GreenShimada@lemmy.world -51 points 3 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world [M] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) This comment was reported for "Racism" I have removed this comment, but not for that, as "Trustafarian" isn't a race - it's slang for "trust fund kids that live a hedonistic lifestyle". I removed it for misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Sorry, but just so I understand - what exactly was the "misinformation"? I'm not clear on what was either objectionable or incorrectly claimed to be untrue. For anyone salty about the fact that a government owns your passports, I don't have time to dig out a hundred statutes, but can you can refer to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7 and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passports-introducing-her-majestys-passport-office For the US and UK. Also, "Trustafarian" isn't a race, it's slang for rich kids that pretend to be poor and live a hedonistic lifestyle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kungen@feddit.nu 55 points 3 months ago (1 child) every single country plays it like that If I have a debt to the government, they send me collection letters and garnish my wages. They don't take away my passport for such stuff. Stop with the normalization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Not normalizing - I'm talking about only that a national government owns a passport. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 child) What the fuck is wrong with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago Nazi brain rot permalink fedilink source parent [–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (4 children) The US government may only revoke passports for reasons of national security. Someone being behind on bills does not meet that criteria. See Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. 280 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/453/280/ https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ "In Haig v. Agee, the United States Supreme Court held that the Secretary of State has the authority to revoke a passport when the bearer's activities abroad "**are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States." ** permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago ....looool! I find it funny that you would believe thatt the usa government would follow any laws at all loool. Like come on permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Supreme Court can make up whatever bullshit they want. They just gutted the Voting Rights Act, why not this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah that's why it was important to vote Dem in 16 but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago I did not get through the entire opinion, but don't think it says what you think it says. The question presented is whether the President, acting through the Secretary of State, has authority to revoke a passport on the ground that the holder's activities in foreign countries are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy of the United States. The court was not asked to consider weather passports could be revoked on other grounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Sure, which is entirely subjective. NSPM-7 clearly opens the door to anything and everything being an option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Freedom of travel is a right, it's why any states license is valid in any others. Unfortunately republicans have upped id requirements to include passports in common occasions, so this is actually an attack on freedom of travel. But since Americans get off on punishment most of us won't see a problem. Also because we're stupid, just see any comment defending this move. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Freedom of travel is a 5th Amendment right inside the US only - you don't have a right to move to France or Australia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] green_red_black@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world [M] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) This comment was reported for "Racism" I have removed this comment, but not for that, as "Trustafarian" isn't a race - it's slang for "trust fund kids that live a hedonistic lifestyle". I removed it for misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Sorry, but just so I understand - what exactly was the "misinformation"? I'm not clear on what was either objectionable or incorrectly claimed to be untrue. For anyone salty about the fact that a government owns your passports, I don't have time to dig out a hundred statutes, but can you can refer to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7 and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passports-introducing-her-majestys-passport-office For the US and UK. Also, "Trustafarian" isn't a race, it's slang for rich kids that pretend to be poor and live a hedonistic lifestyle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) Sorry, but just so I understand - what exactly was the "misinformation"? I'm not clear on what was either objectionable or incorrectly claimed to be untrue. For anyone salty about the fact that a government owns your passports, I don't have time to dig out a hundred statutes, but can you can refer to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7 and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passports-introducing-her-majestys-passport-office For the US and UK. Also, "Trustafarian" isn't a race, it's slang for rich kids that pretend to be poor and live a hedonistic lifestyle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago Sure, an administration that follows the law might agree with this interpretation. My point is that the government has authority to act and individuals have to sue to fight it. I'm not saying that revoking a visa over unpaid child support is a correct interpretation, or even "right" in a subjective moral sense. I'm saying it's within the NSPM-7 definition of what they can do to act first and let objectively shitbag people sue them to undo it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kungen@feddit.nu 55 points 3 months ago (1 child) every single country plays it like that If I have a debt to the government, they send me collection letters and garnish my wages. They don't take away my passport for such stuff. Stop with the normalization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Not normalizing - I'm talking about only that a national government owns a passport. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Not normalizing - I'm talking about only that a national government owns a passport. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 child) What the fuck is wrong with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago Nazi brain rot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago (4 children) The US government may only revoke passports for reasons of national security. Someone being behind on bills does not meet that criteria. See Haig v. Agee, 453 U.S. 280 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/453/280/ https://commons.law.famu.edu/faculty-research/155/ "In Haig v. Agee, the United States Supreme Court held that the Secretary of State has the authority to revoke a passport when the bearer's activities abroad "**are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States." ** permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago ....looool! I find it funny that you would believe thatt the usa government would follow any laws at all loool. Like come on permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Supreme Court can make up whatever bullshit they want. They just gutted the Voting Rights Act, why not this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah that's why it was important to vote Dem in 16 but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago I did not get through the entire opinion, but don't think it says what you think it says. The question presented is whether the President, acting through the Secretary of State, has authority to revoke a passport on the ground that the holder's activities in foreign countries are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy of the United States. The court was not asked to consider weather passports could be revoked on other grounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Sure, which is entirely subjective. NSPM-7 clearly opens the door to anything and everything being an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 point 2 days ago ....looool! I find it funny that you would believe thatt the usa government would follow any laws at all loool. Like come on permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) The Supreme Court can make up whatever bullshit they want. They just gutted the Voting Rights Act, why not this too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah that's why it was important to vote Dem in 16 but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah that's why it was important to vote Dem in 16 but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago The law in question was passed in 1996. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago I did not get through the entire opinion, but don't think it says what you think it says. The question presented is whether the President, acting through the Secretary of State, has authority to revoke a passport on the ground that the holder's activities in foreign countries are causing or are likely to cause serious damage to the national security or foreign policy of the United States. The court was not asked to consider weather passports could be revoked on other grounds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Sure, which is entirely subjective. NSPM-7 clearly opens the door to anything and everything being an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Freedom of travel is a right, it's why any states license is valid in any others. Unfortunately republicans have upped id requirements to include passports in common occasions, so this is actually an attack on freedom of travel. But since Americans get off on punishment most of us won't see a problem. Also because we're stupid, just see any comment defending this move. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Freedom of travel is a 5th Amendment right inside the US only - you don't have a right to move to France or Australia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago Freedom of travel is a 5th Amendment right inside the US only - you don't have a right to move to France or Australia. permalink fedilink source parent