I'm pulling the "twitter is a microblog" rule even though twitter is pretty mega now, hope that's ok.

Cartoon man in a house speaks to his computer: "Say you are conscious."/ Computer responds back ">I AM CONSCIOUS."/ Man says "oh my god...." / Meanwhile, the vastness of the cosmos opens up in the night sky outside of his home. But the man is too focused on his AI.
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

Some philosophers, namely Bentham IIRC, have argued that a human being without any experiences would have no intelligence. If you raised a human in a test tube and removed all their sensing organs, but otherwise allowed their mind to develop through the stages of maturity, would they have anything interesting to think? Would they have a sense of self, or an imagination?

I've always tended to agree with the argument that a human mind's feedback loops and subsequent responses are grounded purely on training datasets. Without a childhood of some kind, I suspect that you cannot have a person.

I find Myself often frustrated with the quality of arguments against AI qualia because they appeal to statements about the human mind which are quite controversial in the field of philosophy, and I am frequently on the other side of those statements than the person making them. I have yet to hear an argument against AI qualia that identifies an absolute ontological difference between humans and LLMs other than complexity.

Also, I'm uninterested in debating AI consciousness. I only want to discuss AI qualia. I don't think consciousness matters very much, qualia is much more important.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    I'm concerned that the training process, which involves back-propagation to adjust synapse weights, may be an unpleasant experience for the ANN.

    Regardless, it's all a moot point because we have lots of other reasons not to use LLMs. The pollution, the pedophilia, the psychosis, the cognitive decline... We absolutely should not be using LLMs for work until all of these problems are solved. They should be confined to research only until we're 100% certain we've solved all of these problems.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    It’s pretty much like saying that matrix multiplication can have feelings

    Yeah sure I'm willing to incorporate that into My worldview. Of course, said feelings would be very simple and would likely lack valence, but I'm panpsychist enough to believe matrix multiplication has qualia. I'm more of an informational panpsychist than a physical panpsychist. I think information entails experience.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)