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"If you read theory, you'd understand that there's nothing wrong with supporting child labor" (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

But we can't create a second economy that protects everyone, including our disabled comrades, without maintaining our access to the vast and irreplaceable industrial machinery and supply chains of the world.

We must take this economy.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    We must take this economy.

    This economy is built from the bottom up on the logics of imperialism, ecocide, hyper-commodification, and subordination of the vast majority of humankind; its resource usage is going to hit a wall in the next 50-100 years; there is much to be learned from but nothing of value to take over.

    we can't create a second economy that protects everyone, including our disabled comrades

    Try me.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I love you, comrade. 💚 You are right and the posadists and the anprims are wrong. We must take this economy before it hits that wall for the sake of the vulnerable. We don't have the time or the resources to start over, only to seize the means and transform them.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    the posadists and the anprims are wrong.

    Me, an alt-civ autonomous communist with a huge emphasis on appropriate technology and a strategy that accounts for collapse:

    side-eye-1 side-eye-2

    We shouldn't forget that the ability of the land to sustainably support people was articulated over millennia. The ideology of capitalism credits itself with all human thriving and says we are in primitive misery without it, but in a full accounting, we know that its costs are far greater and that in terms of peoples' well being, we would be starting off much further along than we are trained to believe.

    Strategically, I favor a prefigurative culture that has means consistent with ends, as opposed to a fight to claim all the tools and products of capitalism which would take place largely on capital's terms, and would involve multiple revolutions to do course-correction.

    There is certainly a speedrun we're in to collect all the useful knowledge there is in the present economy and put it to work for assembling an alternative. Comrade, there will be a spot for you in the eco-communes, with the average footprint/life support being 20 m^2^ of adobe floorspace, 100W of solar panel or CHP stove output, 900 m^2^ of cultivated land, and 2 cords of wood per year.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Me, an alt-civ autonomous communist with a huge emphasis on appropriate technology and a strategy that accounts for collapse:

    erm-this-you

    the average footprint/life support being 20 m2 of adobe floorspace, 100W of solar panel or CHP stove output, 900 m2 of cultivated land, and 2 cords of wood per year.

    Throw in enough insulin for my diabetic comrades and enough HRT for my trans comrades (and I know you will 💚) and it's a deal.

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