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Nothing wrong with the message, except that in too many cases the more valuable step wasn't taken, i.e. making sure that an educated, informed critical mass of voters took part in regular elections, ensuring that the necessary laws and regulations would be passed, so as to ensure things were handled well from the corporate level on down.
Was the step not taken, or did it not have the result you want? So many educated informed people vote right wing because they prefer to participate in exploitation over giving up meat and destination holidays. They say it "is in their personal interest" to burn every commons and leave nothing for their children.
And that's not to mention the past 45 years of "left-wing" parties adopting more and more right-wing policies so that even when left wing parties are elected the result is more exploitation.
Something is structurally wrong about a political system that produced an extinction event within centuries of its inception. Expecting voting to fix democratic capitalism is as ridiculous as expecting workers' councils to fix vanguard communism.
"Maybe this time it'll work", you say, spreading leaflets for a party that supports genocide, massacring climate migrants, and making the planet uninhabitable in 200 years out of "harm reduction".
I've never talked to a republican and got the idea they were educated and informed. Not American so ymmv ofc. Local rightwing voters here are just racists, so afraid that the brown man is going to steal their cookie, you know the meme. Neither educated nor informed either as far as I've talked to them.
Quite possibly, but AFAIK it's the main lever, along with voting with one's money. I'm certainly not proposing that democratic capitalism works in the long run, and yet there's no question that with a more educated base that truly wanted to maintain democracy, various nations could have done a better job staving off late-stage capitalistic collapse.
I mean, F this sentiment when our governments are pissing away money and CO2 in the Middle East for the past 25 years.
Governments don't care, one way or the other .
Do you think that government was the result of an educated, informed critical mass of voters taking part in regular elections?
Govts consist of who the people elect, in democracies. If the people elect a bunch of grifters, for example, then you got some things you're complaining about.
The overall point is that expecting individual citizenry to solve these sustainability issues is rarely going to work, because individuals typically think of themselves first.
That's true in systems not rigged to make it so only certain types of people can be elected and that 1 vote isn't equal across the country.
The land of the free for example, have that in smaller states 1 vote can equal 3 votes, and that it's so expensive to run for office that the only ones that can afford either had to make a LOT of backroom deals, be independently wealthy, or both (in the case of Trump)
I'd argue that a lot of what you mention has gotten the way that it did over the decades because of the very slackness and inattention I'm talking about from the voting base. I.e., you can't make terrible voting decisions for ~55yrs and expect your democracy to automatically resist the corrupting influences of capitalism. In fact, you can pretty much expect the reverse.
Nah, it's been rotten at the core from the very start, just the fester is coming to the surface now
That to me is one of the most self-defeating mindsets one can possibly have when it comes to understanding and empowering qualities of education and smart voting-- that the whole system's a fraud, and therefore not worth attempting to participate in and defend.
At that point you might as well be a traditional Russian peasant, with absolutely no agency, completely at the mercy of those in power. You might as well be saying-- "yeah! Give me dictatorship, because a democracy is too complex to handle."
This to me is the very picture of how a citizen of democracy fails to perform their basic duties to their state.
You can see that a system is broken and still work to fix it, they're not dichotomous.
It's not defeatism, it's realism.
And no, the answer isn't to bend over and take it, it's to get FUCKING LIVID ABOUT IT, and kick up a stink. Protests, Activism, Action, Art.
That's better!
Voting however, won't fix a problem caused by a broken electoral system.
When the entire system is rotten so that no matter who you vote for they won't represent the people, then the most you can do with voting it's try to keep the ABSOLUTE BASTARDS KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE THROUGH NEGLIGENCE(GOP) out and keep the still bastards, but not trying to kill their own citizens, just doing war against other nations in.
As example, the previous election, USA had Dems going "this is a complicated issue" about Israel/Palestine and GOP going "HELL YEAH WAR WAR WAR" about it. But none of the parties went "this genocide shouldn't receive support from the USA"
Just one side going "I won't stop selling them weapons, but won't send in troops" and the other going "I won't stop selling them weapons, and will send in troops"
It's all complicated, and I'm all out of debate on this one.
My main point still stands-- that expecting individuals to solve systemic issues like this was always going to be insufficient. Cheers.
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