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TAKE THAT LOOSERS AND CRYBABIES!!11!!1!! (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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[–] 3 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Because their primary purpose is to allow the state to surveil you. Which I don't think is good.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well, yeah, that is the primary purpose, but I don't see how one can effectively have a modern state without Photo ID. I loathe surveillance, but I accept minor infringements upon me that I recognize as necessary for the sake of us all in many areas. Sorry if I'm explaining poorly!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I envision replacing the state's central ID databases with a federated system of ID verifiers who have trust among each other and who are run by their members democratically. That way you can choose a verifier that you trust to keep your data private but can vouch for your among broader society.

    Very similar to the way the fediverse works. I have my account along one instance, but other instances allow my identity as LibertyLizard to exist as a quasi-account elsewhere so that I can interact with everyone, and so everyone knows I am me. However my true identity does not need to be known for this to work.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I've been thinking along similar lines as this implicitly allows you to have multiple IDs, and for a lot of things it works well, especially if you can choose what attributes to attach to a specific ID, so, for instance, you could gave an ID that says you're over 18, but gives no other information, and a separate one with your name and address.

    Where it falls down is when you need to ensure individuals are only counted once, for instance, when voting. You could have a state ID issuer, but that gets us right back to the original problem.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Mhm and how threw a photo? Dear user do you use a mobilephone?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    Photo allows them to ID you more easily. No photo would be a step away from the papers please society we live in today, even if it's not all the way there.

    This you? https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

    Yeah that is the point of an ID?? Okay how else would you identify (id) people without a picture, so you know the person in front of you is who they claim to be?

    Edit: clarifying ID means = identify/identity

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    That's the neat part. You don't.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Cool cool and how do you now operate variouse systems, contracts, memberships, crime fighting, investigation, secure democratic processes so no voter fraud happens, health care, all kinds of social payments, licenses to drive?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    We already have ways to verify identity without IDs, you just don't think about them that way. The entire internet is built on them.

    For important things like driver's licenses or voting where everyone has an interest in your identity being confirmed, we could have a federation of identity verifiers which you could voluntarily choose between, and which maintain trust between each other and with their members. That way you can choose one you trust who says to everyone else "yup, this person is licensed, etc."

    Very similar to how the fediverse works.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    knowing the people around you seems like it makes all that work

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Oh ok so we'll all just get to know 300 million people individually.

    Smart.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    this is a strawman

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    How? It's quite literally what you just said.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    no it's not. you're not around 300 million people.

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