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This was a question or rather a series of questions I heard over the weekend as I was discussing Marxism, class, labour etc. with a friend and I frankly couldn't really answer their questions. So here I am again asking it because this community provides incredible answers <3

The discussion was about work and their question was: "If class is abolished in communism and the people are taken care of, why would anyone work at all? Who is going to work in coffee shops, pick up trash, work in stores etc.? What would be the incentive for people to do anything productive?" I did my best saying that those jobs would still exist, but I kind of fumbled the argument.

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[-] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

Do they think people just do not do things unless they wage or profit incentive?

Yes, in their opinion no one (or not very many people) would be incentivized to pick up garbage, deliver food or do thankless work without monetary compensation.

[-] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Ok, but like, I clean my house, don't I? I hate that task, I would prefer to never have to do it, but living in filth is worse, so I clean.

I imagine it would be the same in communism at a community level. You have your local community park and it might not be fun to pick up garbage in it, but the community doesn't want their park to be covered in garbage, so they work together to give it the occasional cleaning!

We actually see this now, under capitalism even. Earth Day was last week, and I know of at least 3 different organized "clean up the park" events that happened in my local area. No one was paid for any of this work, and yet it happened, even in the capitalist hellscape that is the US.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

...what ideology does your friend uphold? Also, I am just baffled at the position of this person on incentives. People are not fed or controlled by money in the sense that instincts direct animals.

Charity organizations pop up all throughout capitalist society without much in the way of wage or profit incentive in spite of capitalism's drive for profit.

[-] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I would probably say petit bourgeousie and neoliberal ideas, which is pretty funny since she is a proletariat.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

sigh

Typical indoctrinated neoliberal that has trouble understanding capitalism, and as a result, misunderstands the idea that society can exist beyond capitalism.

[-] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Also it might come of that I am pulling these types of people out of thin air (had a post about a biologist and human nature), but I swear these are people that I talk to on a regular basis.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

I would honestly be exhausted if I were to talk with these libservatives about politics because they would be so filled with idealism and propaganda and racism (if we are talking about China or the DPRK). How do you do so without wanting to just ignore them?

[-] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

They are usually friends or family so I have a bit more patience with them, I also take it as a way to practice cool calm and collected debate as oppose to just straight up arguments. It is difficult though when they just don't want to listen or have an open mind.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Glad you both have the patience and the willingness to debate with such people, because I know that I would rather not even bother arguing with my parents (mother knows nothing and father only knows liberservantive propaganda, so it would just grind my brain into dust). Also, I am not sure if I would bother being friends with liberals because I would be annoyed by their racist understanding of China and especially the DPRK.

[-] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

The best that I can and others can do is to just educate, if they refuse then it's on them. A lot of people have their minds set on China, DPRK, USSR and won't change them.

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it is just annoying sometimes. It saves energy if you just ignore liberals being liberals (I would only ever debate one for personal entertainment or for the entertainment of others).

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