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[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that people still feel this way about MTG saying something correct really just goes to show that our social discourse level still hasn't evolved past judging arguments on the basis of the person making them. Its getting better enough that we can at least say "MTG is right about this" but it still makes people uncomfortable and feel like they need to explain "oh but so stupid and evil and stupid and dumb otherwise of course". The disclaimer is not necessary. The fact that one person can hold a variety of correct and incorrect views should not be this surprising anymore

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that one person can hold a variety of correct and incorrect views should not be this surprising anymore

I think the phrase "incorrect view" is about to hurt its back with how much heavy lifting it's doing in this case.

It's one thing to disagree about how the government should be run or to hold outdated views on social issues.

It's another thing to claim that the California forest fires were started by Jewish space lasers, or that the US government controls the weather, or that a school shooting that claimed the lives of 20 first graders was a false flag.

Her taking a stance on the Epstein files is commendable, but isn't it kind of mitigated by the time she said that anyone who voted to confirm Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson is "pro-pedophile"?

I'm not saying she should be silenced or dismissed, at least not while she's on the right side of history, but let's not pretend this is just any old Republican suddenly spouting reasonable takes.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure I understand you - what heavy lifting is the phrase doing? The views you listed are incorrect, so to me it seems like a perfectly reasonable and accurate phrase? Are you saying that the phrase doesn't go far enough, and it should be something like "wildly incorrect and insane delusions"? Because if so, while I don't disagree with that characterization, its still ultimately an incorrect view and properly described already. This is kind of exactly my point - feeling like we need a more exaggerated characterization of her incorrect views is a symptom of having trouble believing that someone can hold both correct and incorrect views.

[-] LonelySea@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Frankly, it does need suspicion. She's only sane now because Trump dropped her like a flaming dog turd

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, her reason for making the claim is suspicious, but that does not have any bearing on the legitimacy of the claim itself. The legitimacy of her other claims also have no bearing on it. This is exactly why I avoided making an emphatic characterization of her incorrectness - because doing so could only be to appease the mentality which my original comment is saying we should reject.

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