▲ 100 ▼ Germany Introduces New Travel Restrictions for Men Aged 17-45 Amid Military Reforms (united24media.com) submitted 5 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/europe@feddit.org 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/61926294
[+] Jay101@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) I am surely willing to argue with you, if you are able to stick to facts instead of emotionally perceived truths. The Traffic Light coalition had to balance Germany’s pro-Israel stance with growing criticism of Israel’s conduct in Gaza. After an initial phase of strong support (due to Germanys so called "Staatsräson"), the coalition became more critical, slashed arms exports in 2024 compared with 2023, and provided major humanitarian aid to Gaza. Saying they “cheered for genocide” is polemical and mislead. Maybe you should reconsider your news sources. Also, nuclear power is not a viable path for Germany. New plants are too expensive, take too long to build, and offer hardly any practical advantage over faster expansion of renewables, grids, and storage. The Greens acted accordingly. You COULD criticize the ban of nuclear power in the first place - but that was the doing of the CDU/SPD, not the Greens. I somewhat agree with you regarding taxation. They could have done more. But then again: they were in a coalition with two parties, that are ideologically very different. It's far from precise to measure a partys moral by the actions of a coalition in which they were a junior-partner. Stop dealing in absolutes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Annanela Baerbock literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children Then, I'd like to see a source for her literally saying thid. She [..] cheered for genocide. For this too, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I have no interest in continuing a discussion on that basis, so I am leaving it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) I am surely willing to argue with you, if you are able to stick to facts instead of emotionally perceived truths. The Traffic Light coalition had to balance Germany’s pro-Israel stance with growing criticism of Israel’s conduct in Gaza. After an initial phase of strong support (due to Germanys so called "Staatsräson"), the coalition became more critical, slashed arms exports in 2024 compared with 2023, and provided major humanitarian aid to Gaza. Saying they “cheered for genocide” is polemical and mislead. Maybe you should reconsider your news sources. Also, nuclear power is not a viable path for Germany. New plants are too expensive, take too long to build, and offer hardly any practical advantage over faster expansion of renewables, grids, and storage. The Greens acted accordingly. You COULD criticize the ban of nuclear power in the first place - but that was the doing of the CDU/SPD, not the Greens. I somewhat agree with you regarding taxation. They could have done more. But then again: they were in a coalition with two parties, that are ideologically very different. It's far from precise to measure a partys moral by the actions of a coalition in which they were a junior-partner. Stop dealing in absolutes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Annanela Baerbock literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children Then, I'd like to see a source for her literally saying thid. She [..] cheered for genocide. For this too, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I have no interest in continuing a discussion on that basis, so I am leaving it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jay101@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Annanela Baerbock literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children Then, I'd like to see a source for her literally saying thid. She [..] cheered for genocide. For this too, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I have no interest in continuing a discussion on that basis, so I am leaving it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Annanela Baerbock literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children Then, I'd like to see a source for her literally saying thid. She [..] cheered for genocide. For this too, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jay101@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 5 months ago (2 children) You're the one making the claim, so you should have and provide the sources. So I kindly ask you again, as I am genuinely curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago I think this guy is a lost case. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) So I take it you won't provide sources for these statements of yours? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jay101@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago So you clearly haven’t made any effort, which basically says that you are discussing in bad faith. No. I just won't let extreme accusations stand unquestioned like that. And frankly, why would you get so upset about that? If your accusations are well-founded, where's the problem? Yet, you haven't shown where she "cheered for genocide" or "literally said it is fine to murder Palestinian children". If you boldly make these claims, you should have the facts to back them up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rbnsft@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago So do the quick Web search and proof it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I have no interest in continuing a discussion on that basis, so I am leaving it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jay101@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent