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[–] 288 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Science is only political because scientists have to continuously convince politicians reality exists.

It's frustrating that something like climate change is even a political discussion at all. Don't Look Up captured that frustration really well.

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.

    Unfortunately, despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.

    What? No. No, no, you naive fool... many politicians, if not most, don't believe most of what they're selling, and don't give a flying fuck about it.

    They'll sell whatever line the party they're working for wants them to sell, and they'd just as happily sell the opposition party's line if it paid better and they could switch without being called a turncoat.

    Also, it's not about convincing people about specific beliefs; most people are mostly already convinced of their worldviews and if they change them it won't be because of some politician. It's about convincing them, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the politician shares those beliefs, and will impose them on people who don't if they vote for them.

    despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.

    Again, no. Science (except for mathematics, but that's it's own thing) doesn't and shouldn't ever claim to be correct.

    It's the most accurate approximation we have so far of how nature works, but it's constantly trying to achieve better approximations, and will happily throw away the old ones when it finds a better one.

    It also should always make very clear that it's an approximation or a description, not an interpretation. Science should always be objective, never subjective, and interpretations are by definition subjective.

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  • [+] -25 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    I think we need politics to go beyond one reality, and embrace a subjective multiverse where people can perceive what they want to perceive.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    If only the idiots could just piss off to their own multiverse of idiocy and leave the rest of us alone

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

    I would be happy if I didn't have to share a universe with realists, but the thing about realists is, they're not happy to let that happen. They think there's only one universe. They psychologically abuse our kind to try to get us back to their reality.

    I have a friend named Sonic who's an introject. He appeared in someone else's head one day, having been assembled from thoughts about video games and comic books. He tried to get help from a psychologist with his mental health. Instead of helping him, she told him he doesn't exist and tried to erase him. She messed him up so bad, he tried to commit suicide, tried to destroy the body he lives in and everyone else who lives in it, just to prove he could have an effect on the world, that he exists.

    He's doing a lot better now that he's surrounded by antirealists and he isn't seeing that psychologist anymore.

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    I want to be very clear here, it was my schizo meltdown, not Grail's. And more properly, it was Sonic's meltdown, and it probably ties into out dissociative symptoms more than whatever schizo-spectrum whatever we have going on.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    TIL the multiverse instance has someone other than Grail. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it's perfectly in line with yall's belief that you all are actually personalities of one dude, who might not even exist anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Whether climate change is occurring, what damage it's doing and what's causing it are scientific questions. How to address it is a set of political questions: How do we get humanity to emit less greenhouse gases? How do we get countries on the same page? How do we make sure that the effects of these changes don't increase global inequality?

    The scientific questions have been answered very well, and are continuing to be answered in more detail all the time.

    The response to the political questions has been an abject failure so far.

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