▲ 525 ▼ I cannot tell if this is satire. (thelemmy.club) submitted 5 months ago by Heikki2@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 107 comments fedilink hide all child comments Scrolling through the all feed and saw this post and genuinely cannot tell of this is satire or not.
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 65 points 5 months ago (3 children) Millionaires aren't really the problem, billionaires are. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Padit@feddit.org 38 points 5 months ago (4 children) I feel this is not stressed enough. The guy owning the local car dealership that has a nice yacht and a holiday appartment in Mallorca is not actually even remotly the same kind of problem like jeff bezos or elon musk. Sure, noone needs a yacht, but the irder of magnitude is not even remotely comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 child) Am million dollars isn't yacht money, though. It would take several millions to actually get close. 1 million isn't even enough for a comfortable retirement these days. A "millionaire" doesn't mean much compared to three decades ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) And this was 29 years ago. It's even less now! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yuup. Forgot about that. Decades ago they joked that he didn’t know about billions or trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Seriously. The difference between someone with 2 million dollars and 800 million dollars is about 800 million dollars permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Owning-class is owning-class. Regardless of the magnitude, they are still exploitative and that is the point. Individuals aren't the problem, the system that allows individuals to have exploitative and unjust power over others is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Bernie's a millionaire. Is he exploitative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yup. No one earns a billion dollars without exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago The guy owning the local car dealership The small capitalists have a unique set if interests. They're not the biggest beneficiary of the system, but they tend to be fascism's most rabid soldiers. These are the people who did J6. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 months ago Billionaires also aren't the problem. They are the symptom. The problem is the system of economics and politics, by extension the various institutions they manifest, that allows individuals to become billionaires through the exploitation of other people's labor via private ownership over the means of production that should rightfully belong to the people through collective ownership. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago Yep. A million dollars is much closer to 0 dollars than it is to a billion dollars. An even bigger problem is the ultra billionaires. Aside from that simplistic argument, billionaires are much much more parasitic to society than millionaires are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Padit@feddit.org 38 points 5 months ago (4 children) I feel this is not stressed enough. The guy owning the local car dealership that has a nice yacht and a holiday appartment in Mallorca is not actually even remotly the same kind of problem like jeff bezos or elon musk. Sure, noone needs a yacht, but the irder of magnitude is not even remotely comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 child) Am million dollars isn't yacht money, though. It would take several millions to actually get close. 1 million isn't even enough for a comfortable retirement these days. A "millionaire" doesn't mean much compared to three decades ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) And this was 29 years ago. It's even less now! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yuup. Forgot about that. Decades ago they joked that he didn’t know about billions or trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Seriously. The difference between someone with 2 million dollars and 800 million dollars is about 800 million dollars permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Owning-class is owning-class. Regardless of the magnitude, they are still exploitative and that is the point. Individuals aren't the problem, the system that allows individuals to have exploitative and unjust power over others is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Bernie's a millionaire. Is he exploitative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yup. No one earns a billion dollars without exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago The guy owning the local car dealership The small capitalists have a unique set if interests. They're not the biggest beneficiary of the system, but they tend to be fascism's most rabid soldiers. These are the people who did J6. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 child) Am million dollars isn't yacht money, though. It would take several millions to actually get close. 1 million isn't even enough for a comfortable retirement these days. A "millionaire" doesn't mean much compared to three decades ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) And this was 29 years ago. It's even less now! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yuup. Forgot about that. Decades ago they joked that he didn’t know about billions or trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (1 child) And this was 29 years ago. It's even less now! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yuup. Forgot about that. Decades ago they joked that he didn’t know about billions or trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yuup. Forgot about that. Decades ago they joked that he didn’t know about billions or trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not that he didn't know, he didn't account for inflation since he was frozen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago Seriously. The difference between someone with 2 million dollars and 800 million dollars is about 800 million dollars permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Owning-class is owning-class. Regardless of the magnitude, they are still exploitative and that is the point. Individuals aren't the problem, the system that allows individuals to have exploitative and unjust power over others is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Bernie's a millionaire. Is he exploitative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yup. No one earns a billion dollars without exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Bernie's a millionaire. Is he exploitative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yup. No one earns a billion dollars without exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Yup. No one earns a billion dollars without exploitation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Millionaire, not billionaire. The difference is about a billion dollars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Oh my apologies for misreading. It all depends on how Bernie earned that money then. Was it through his own labor or was it through the system of exploitation that is owning and making profit off of the labor of others through having a claim to private ownership over the means of production? If he makes his money legitimately then no. If he makes his money through being a rentier, his income being primarily being generated through the stock market and shareholder dividends, then yes. I don't claim to know how Bernie made that money so I abstain from making any speculations. Bernie has been an advocate for shifts towards the left, but the man isn't perfect. Though, he is clearly good intentions so I won't make any base judgements against him until I have more information. And yes, I understand that retirement and stuff is incorporated into the stock market. That is a giant problem of how the owning class forces the working class to go against their own benefits as a class to ensure their own personal safety and security. That's a much larger can of worms and nuance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago He mostly made it through book sales, I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago The guy owning the local car dealership The small capitalists have a unique set if interests. They're not the biggest beneficiary of the system, but they tend to be fascism's most rabid soldiers. These are the people who did J6. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 months ago Billionaires also aren't the problem. They are the symptom. The problem is the system of economics and politics, by extension the various institutions they manifest, that allows individuals to become billionaires through the exploitation of other people's labor via private ownership over the means of production that should rightfully belong to the people through collective ownership. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago Yep. A million dollars is much closer to 0 dollars than it is to a billion dollars. An even bigger problem is the ultra billionaires. Aside from that simplistic argument, billionaires are much much more parasitic to society than millionaires are. permalink fedilink source parent
