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Today, I finally deleted WhatsApp
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I don't think I've ever actually used WhatsApp. An old boss tried to tell me that it was mandatory for my job (there was a group chat where management insisted on tracking every single thing we did). Fortunately, Ontario has somewhat decent labour laws where if you're required to use an app or something on your phone, your employer now gets to pay for your phone bill! Needless to say, she backed off pretty quick lol
Also, the concept of NEEDING WhatsApp for daily life is wild to me. It's not the norm for businesses, banks, etc to require it, and if someone says they do, it's probably a scam here...
Great, just dont get too comfortable. The reason this laws exist is because workers in the past died to conquer it. If we stop fighting this will not be possible in the future. Fuck the capitalist class.
Uhhh... Sure. I understand what you're saying, but this isn't really the right context for it lol
WhatsApp has significant market dominance in Europe, to the point that only one or two people I know who live on that continent don't use it. If you give someone your phone number in Europe, they will almost certainly send you a WhatsApp message, not an SMS.
It's not a need in the sense that you'll die without it, but not having it adds significant friction to social relationships.
That's... Wow! Here, people prefer to use non-SMS options for messaging too, but if you give someone a phone number it's pretty much assumed you're getting an SMS unless they ask if you have WhatsApp, signal, or whatever else. That said, using Messenger is still pretty common here, as much as I'd wish it would die off. It is, slowly, but it needs to be quicker lol
If I put someone's number into the contacts on my phone, I will see what messaging apps are connected to that phone number in most cases. If they have Signal, I'll try that first. I'll try WhatsApp before SMS because it's a better user experience and probably encrypted.
Okay, that's both cool and scary lol and Fair, yeah. I think WhatsApp would be the last on my list. I'd rather my telecom company siphon the data over Meta, but I get you
How much of the data Meta can siphon is an open question as I understand it. WhatsApp definitely uses encryption, but there are a bunch of ways the client could send them the cleartext, especially if one allows their chatbot into a conversation.
It's hard to say which is worse. I have a fair number of contacts on Signal now, and I find that's a good balance of easy and trustworthy.
It's not really that they get the clear texts, but that they get access to who you talk to, when, and kinda how long are your messages. That metadata is super valuable. Over long periods, just with that metadata there's a lot that can be inferred.
My distrust of Meta wants to say they somehow siphon everything, but you're probably right. We don't know for sure, and speculating is probably just crazy-making at the end of the day.
I'm seriously just considering setting up a self hosted Matrix instance and piping all my chat apps through that. Get the more tech literate friends on something more secure, and then be done with the rest lol I'm basically already the unofficial (and untrained) sysadmin for my property lol