▲ 1207 ▼ google is a prison and the enemy of FOSS, we really need an alternative (thelemmy.club) submitted 5 months ago* by not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world 164 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://chaos.social/@grote/116257002625921666
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 13 points 5 months ago (2 children) They are already here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) Unfortunately, Sailfish OS uses a proprietary (closed source) android compatibility layer, as well as a closed source UI. For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign. It's the HA-CLA-I-ANY license, which specifically allows them a perpetual Copyright and Patent license, and permission to relicense your code contributions to a more restrictive license which enables them sell or package it into a closed-source proprietary app. Personally I'd be more comfortable supporting the development of PostmarketOS instead, since it is completely open-source with no CLA, meaning no chance of any rug-pulling in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Having a CLA like that just screams "Were going to monetize all of this one day" lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago Exactly, it's like a corporate wolf in FLOSS clothing, and huge red flag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago They already do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Disclaimer: yes, SFOS is made by a (small) for-profit company. Always has been. For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign. Just to clarify, this applies only to previously closed core components. Not app developers. But thanks for the info. I love the constant comparison to PMOS, which has exactly 0 daily-driveable devices. SFOS has been usable since 2013, and honestly I don't see a rug-pull coming up. Call me naive. It's a European company btw. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) If you're comfortable with it being a private company that has proprietary software and utilizes a CLA for its own components, then by all means, use them. Personally I'm at a point where I distrust any essential software that isn't GPL licensed, as that's the only way to ensure that it'll always be in the community's hands. Otherwise, we're just hedging that Sailfish won't someday be sold to a larger publicly traded company, who will then utilize the potential lock-in factor that the proprietary parts of Sailfish and the CLA'd components bring. PMOS is certainly not in a usable state for the average person yet, which is why I suggest people donate to it so it can become more polished and support more phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) they dont ship to the us. also the mobile-focused software is still early on linux, but as long as it is daily drivable I can handle that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago they dont ship to the us You can get your own device and install it for free, globally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) Unfortunately, Sailfish OS uses a proprietary (closed source) android compatibility layer, as well as a closed source UI. For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign. It's the HA-CLA-I-ANY license, which specifically allows them a perpetual Copyright and Patent license, and permission to relicense your code contributions to a more restrictive license which enables them sell or package it into a closed-source proprietary app. Personally I'd be more comfortable supporting the development of PostmarketOS instead, since it is completely open-source with no CLA, meaning no chance of any rug-pulling in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Having a CLA like that just screams "Were going to monetize all of this one day" lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago Exactly, it's like a corporate wolf in FLOSS clothing, and huge red flag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago They already do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Disclaimer: yes, SFOS is made by a (small) for-profit company. Always has been. For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign. Just to clarify, this applies only to previously closed core components. Not app developers. But thanks for the info. I love the constant comparison to PMOS, which has exactly 0 daily-driveable devices. SFOS has been usable since 2013, and honestly I don't see a rug-pull coming up. Call me naive. It's a European company btw. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) If you're comfortable with it being a private company that has proprietary software and utilizes a CLA for its own components, then by all means, use them. Personally I'm at a point where I distrust any essential software that isn't GPL licensed, as that's the only way to ensure that it'll always be in the community's hands. Otherwise, we're just hedging that Sailfish won't someday be sold to a larger publicly traded company, who will then utilize the potential lock-in factor that the proprietary parts of Sailfish and the CLA'd components bring. PMOS is certainly not in a usable state for the average person yet, which is why I suggest people donate to it so it can become more polished and support more phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago (2 children) Having a CLA like that just screams "Were going to monetize all of this one day" lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago Exactly, it's like a corporate wolf in FLOSS clothing, and huge red flag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago They already do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago Exactly, it's like a corporate wolf in FLOSS clothing, and huge red flag. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago They already do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Disclaimer: yes, SFOS is made by a (small) for-profit company. Always has been. For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign. Just to clarify, this applies only to previously closed core components. Not app developers. But thanks for the info. I love the constant comparison to PMOS, which has exactly 0 daily-driveable devices. SFOS has been usable since 2013, and honestly I don't see a rug-pull coming up. Call me naive. It's a European company btw. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) If you're comfortable with it being a private company that has proprietary software and utilizes a CLA for its own components, then by all means, use them. Personally I'm at a point where I distrust any essential software that isn't GPL licensed, as that's the only way to ensure that it'll always be in the community's hands. Otherwise, we're just hedging that Sailfish won't someday be sold to a larger publicly traded company, who will then utilize the potential lock-in factor that the proprietary parts of Sailfish and the CLA'd components bring. PMOS is certainly not in a usable state for the average person yet, which is why I suggest people donate to it so it can become more polished and support more phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) If you're comfortable with it being a private company that has proprietary software and utilizes a CLA for its own components, then by all means, use them. Personally I'm at a point where I distrust any essential software that isn't GPL licensed, as that's the only way to ensure that it'll always be in the community's hands. Otherwise, we're just hedging that Sailfish won't someday be sold to a larger publicly traded company, who will then utilize the potential lock-in factor that the proprietary parts of Sailfish and the CLA'd components bring. PMOS is certainly not in a usable state for the average person yet, which is why I suggest people donate to it so it can become more polished and support more phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) they dont ship to the us. also the mobile-focused software is still early on linux, but as long as it is daily drivable I can handle that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago they dont ship to the us You can get your own device and install it for free, globally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 5 months ago they dont ship to the us You can get your own device and install it for free, globally. permalink fedilink source parent