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[–] 22 points 6 months ago (33 children)

Can vegans eat figs?

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    Vegans eat other foods that use fertilizer. Fertilizers could contain meat or meat byproducts... So....

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  • [+] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    cow is made of meat.

    cow eats grass.

    cow has a shit.

    said shit is collected to form manure.

    this manure is an animal byproduct which the animal did not consent to you taking.

    Same as bees and honey.

    Im not vegan but thats what a vegan explained to me

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The fact that some vegans think honey is exploitative really says a lot about their lack of knowledge.

    They DO know that if bees don't like a place, they'll just .... leave, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You could say the same about humans working exploitative jobs. You can be unhappy and still stay because the cost of quitting is too high. It's only when it gets really bad that it becomes worthwhile.

    Edit: I just learned from another comment that they sometimes clip the queen's wings so they can't leave.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    You could, but bees overproduce honey. There's literally no drawbacks to taking the surplus besides maybe preventing the colony from sending off new queens quite as often, and mildly disturbing the hive when it's done. (A lot of honey bees are pretty chill about it, even without a smoker.)

    I don't jive with the wing clipping though.

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Hi vegan here, stop talking shit about something you know nothing about. Veganism is not living just on air and water.

    If there is a cow shitting there is no problem taking that shit and putting it on a field. The problem is when a industry - that is based on exploiting animals - profits of shit flooding our groundwater with nitrate. We want to reduce that huge industry in different ways:

    Basic for every vegan: food based on plants not on animals.

    how and why people choose to be vegan is as diverse as "being a meateater" is. Some people eat a cheeseburger a day some eat one piece of deer a year.

    What I was doing most of my life is environmental veganism: Never bought anything animal related. If e.g. meat was actually thrown away otherwise I'd eat it as well.

    Then there are health reasons. (Never digged to deep into that - I am damn healthy and happy with my diet)

    And what you are talking about is ethical veganism: Ethical Vegans say there is no reason why humans are allowed to treat animals in that way and think animals are somewhat equal to humans. They would strongly oppose the use of shit of animals on fields if it is possible with less support of the harm the industry does.

    Depending on the reason why people do it they often live it in a different way (and sometimes hate each other for their approach)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I think I heard recently that one of the mushrooms that is popular as a vegan meat substitute lives off of some sort of living creature like insects or something.

    But realistically, it's all the circle of life. Animal life is part of the circle. Probably all plants have consumed nutrients that came from an animal in some way.

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    ffs they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor. I would assume the International Vegan Council outright bans figs with extreme prejudice.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    they won’t eat honey, and that’s only because you’re stealing the fruits of the bees’ labor

    Not the only reason. For example, an infamous and common practice in the honey industry is to cut off the queen's wings, ensuring the hive has no choice but to stay there and produce honey.

    I've never met a vegan who won't eat figs; figs' relationship with fig wasps is symbiotic, and yes, excluding fruit on the basis that "eating the fruit of a pollinated plant is exploiting the pollinator" probably far oversteps the "practicable" part of veganism:

    Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Would you eat honey from a natural hive without these practices?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Good question. I wouldn't (we're assuming casual foraging for fun and not a survival situation); it's still not vegan, but it'd be arguably less unethical on a spectrum.

    A con compared to the apiary is that these wild bees aren't being artificially supplemented by e.g. sugar water; it's live-or-die for them, and that's their food. It's not in me to take that away from them when I don't have to.

    If someone took like a teaspoon of honey (still the lifetime output of about a dozen bees) while giving the bees something greater in return, then I don't think most vegans would think it's inherently wrong*, but like any ethical framework, whenever you try to find contrived boundaries, it's kind of like "okay, but why?" It's sometimes engaging on the armchair but rarely in practice.

    A huge pro compared to the apiary is avoiding, in addition to the physical mistreatment of the bees themselves, the perpetuation of the exploitation. If you one-and-done plunder a hive, that's not vegan, but you're not giving money to someone as a way of telling them "thanks, and keep doing this".

    * I'm making a hand-wavey assumption here that you can just do that without pissing off and killing a bunch of bees or smoking them out just so we can have perfectly ideal ethical conditions.

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