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Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).

It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.

My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.

I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325

Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

https://lemmy.world/post/577526

Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.

Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.

TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.

EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I disagree with defederation. It shouldn't be used simply for blocking disputable instances like exploding-heads or lemmygrad. All this does is give them more arguments about censorship and remove possibility of discussions where you could argue about some information, making those people there believe what they see just on their tiny community more and more, because that's all they'll see.
I do support defederation in 2 cases:

  1. The instance is filled with spammers/bots invading other instances.
  2. The instance includes illegal and unethical content. (With no intention of its removal)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I would argue encouraging violence towards marginalized people is unethical. Also there is no room for civilized discussion when one side believes the other doesn't deserve basic human rights. The marginalized people on our server should not have to argue for their own existence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Doesn't the OP say that exploding-heads is filled with bots, though? That they are a disreputable instance is just a distraction now, I think.