2077
"Cancel ChatGPT" movement goes mainstream after OpenAI closes deal with U.S. Department of War — as Anthropic refuses to surveil American citizens (www.windowscentral.com)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
234 comments fedilink hide all child comments
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 71 points 6 months ago (25 children)

Anthropic still is scum for being completely fine helping America oppress the rest of the world.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 25 child comments
    •
  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (24 children)

    Anthropic is scum, accepting money from foreign dictators, forcing their software on minorities while insisting it was conscious and had emotions just like them, praising the Trump administration, making up scary stories to get more funding...

    ...In many ways, they're worse than OpenAI. They're just running with the same playbook that Sam Altman used to use to pretend he was a good guy.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 24 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    I mean they praised the Trump administration for benefiting their business, which is.. fair? I guess?

    If you do ask Claude Sonnet 4.6 about Trump it leans quite negative, as it should.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 15 child comments
    •
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    I missed when sucking up to the Trump administration and echoing Cold War style nationalism was "fair". If that's the case, OpenAI's behavior is fair.

    Fully autonomous weapons (those that take humans out of the loop entirely and automate selecting and engaging targets) may prove critical for our national defense. We have offered to work directly with the Department of War on R&D to improve the reliability of these systems.

    Our strong preference is to continue to serve the Department and our warfighters

    Dario "Warfighter" Amodei

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 14 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I missed when sucking up to the Trump administration and echoing Cold War style nationalism was “fair”. If that’s the case, OpenAI’s behavior is fair.

    It's just capitalism. Anthropic pushed against the administration and now they are about to be branded as "supply chain risk". OpenAI bent over and are going to get billions in funding that they sorely need (and hopefully don't get, let them fail).

    You miss the mark though: Anthropic only praised the administration, but that's just words to give the Twitter pedo in chief a pat on the head. OpenAI actually signed a contract and they are providing their service. Massive difference.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    They both signed the contract. They both allegedly hold the exact same set of red lines. One of them just gets to pretend to be the virtuous company with the virtuous capitalist CEO, despite showing tons of red flags that should have you scrambling to be as concerned about them as OpenAI.

    If you read their statement, Good Guy Anthropic is totally cool with

    • Mass surveillance of non-Americans
    • Targeted surveillance of Americans
    • Semi-autonomous bombings
    • Fully autonomous bombings... in the future
    • The exact same Red Scare BS that Sam Altman talks about
  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (11 children)

    They literally didn't sign the new contract and now they are getting punished for it. What are you even talking about?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (10 children)

    According to OpenAI, there is no difference between the old contract and the new contract.

    And if you read Dario Amodei's actual words, he says his preference is to continue working with the Department of "War" and America's "Warfighters." You don't have to defend a man who is this evil, and this much of pro-war Trump suckup.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (9 children)

    I still don't get your point. Anthropic didn't sign the contract, OpenAI did.

    The contract is too loose, it pretty much allows them to do whatever they want.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (8 children)

    Show me where the contracts differ. OpenAI says they don't. Unless Dario Amodei speaks up, why assume they do?

    I've shown you plenty of stuff that should make you hate Dario Amodei. Unless you support the current state of the US military as much as he does, I don't know why you are defending the pro-Trump pro-war suckup.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    Okay, so listen:

    The DoW offered Anthropic the contract and they declined, as it has clauses that would allow the government to do whatever they wanted.

    Then OpenAI signed the same contract.

    How can you say they are the same, when the first company refused the contract? I'm not even from the US and definitely not pro Trump. But there's things besides black and white.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    Okay, so listen.

    OpenAI claims they have the same standards as Anthropic. OpenAI signed the deal, even reiterated they have the same joke of "red lines."

    Can you show me the difference between the old contract and the new one? Because if you can't, you're making assumptions.

    Presuming your making assumptions, riddle me this: is Sam Altman a liar?

    Presuming Sam Altman isn't a liar: Why isn't pro-war Dario Amodei calling him on it?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    Dario Amodei is busy calling out the pile of shit that's the US government. Fighting Altman doesn't get him anything right now.

    https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-comments-secretary-war

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    Okay, so you agree Altman is a liar, but Dario is too busy to call him out? Warmonger Dario Amodei has had days.

    Dario is too busy glazing Pete Hegseth's war machine.

    To the best of our knowledge, these exceptions have not affected a single government mission to date.

    And Dario Amodei is too busy supporting Pete Hegseth's attacks, like on Venezuelan fishermen.

    Anthropic has supported American warfighters since June 2024....

    Dario supports this.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/what-countries-has-trump-attacked-since-returning-to-office

    ...and has every intention of continuing to do so.

    So I guess this includes the Iran invasion. Dario craves blood.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's Iran, not Iraq.

    Just calm down, I'm not pro AI, but we can still be positive about someone making the right choice for once.

    Throwing enough money around there's plenty of other options for the DoW, be it Microsoft, Google or even hosting their own LLM (open source models are pretty much on-par now).

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    You do not, in fact, have to hand it to him?

    You don't have to praise the "fair" and "just capitalism" qualities of 99% Hitler when you can choose 0% Hitler.

    I'll change my statement: Iraq, not Iran. Will you change yours: Dario is a warmonger who wants to enable Trump and Hegseth and continued to do so? You didn't contest that.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I honestly care less about the war mongering and more about the "domestic surveillance" part. Like domestic just counts for US citizens, which I'm not. So fuck him too (:

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    They insisted Claude was human?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Sorry, not quite, but close. From 404 media

    When users confronted Clinton with their concerns, he brushed them off, said he would not submit to mob rule, and explained that AIs have emotions and that tech firms were working to create a new form of sentience, according to Discord logs and conversations with members of the group.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Oh, that guy! To be fair, that's one employee, not Anthropic's actions or position. You mentioned forcing their software on minorities while insisting it was better than it was, and I was getting OLPC flashbacks. But Anthropic looking for funding in the UAE and Qatar is shitty. I can't seem to find anything about whether or not they went through with those contracts.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Jason Clinton is Anthropic’s Deputy Chief Information Security Officer. That means Jason knew better, and he was using his position as a moderator (and supposedly a security expert) to try gaslighting a vulnerable minority into believing his favorite toy was "secure" when it was not.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, I'm not gonna defend him. But fucking up a discord that you're a mod of isn't really in the same ballpark as taking money from dictators or directing fully autonomous strikes. Also, from the read, it really sounds like that Deputy CISO was a prime example of cyber-psychosis, or AI mania, or whatever we've decided to call it. And I assume he is part of the same vulnerable minority?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Every example we have of Anthropic's behavior paints a picture of an immoral company that pretends to be moral. It's bad enough that they continue doing harm, but then they dress it up with phrases like "AI Safety" and "Information Security". (And every press release they create to describe how scary good their system is, tends to be followed up by a sudden cash infusion from an openly morally bankrupt company like Google or Amazon.)

    I reserve zero empathy for the people on the abuser side of an abusive dynamic. Maybe Elon Musk is autistic too. I don't really care. Only Moloch knows their hearts. I'll judge them for their actions.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I did find an update on that funding, btw. Anthropic already took money from Qatar (the QIA), but the amount isn't known - likely around $100M. The UAE has yet to happen, but if does, it would be "hundreds of millions".

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Interesting. I appreciate you doing the digging to check. It's frustrating that people spent so much time looking at the fact that Anthropic had an uncrossed red line, they didn't look at all the red lines that were already crossed - in the very article about those supposed red lines. Such is PR I guess.

    I suppose you saw that "He Will Not Divide Us 2.0" letter from OpenAI and Google employees who promised to stand behind Anthropic. Never mind the fact OpenAI split.... Doesn't anybody know Google already does mass surveillance of Americans?

    ...I ramble.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent