▲ 963 ▼ 4Chan knew about Jeffrey Epstein's death 38 minutes before the rest of the world. The FBI tried to figure out how. (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 6 months ago by robocall@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 246 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://archive.ph/mbjoZ
[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child) That someone was exposed as a teenage "hacker". I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (3 children) "hacker"... According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein's handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved. I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn't a suicide. I'm not sure what incentive he'd have to both lie about identifying his brother's body and making so much noise about it being a murder... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JustinTheGM@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) I've been hearing that the "changed handle" thing isn't valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user's profile (and that wasn't the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child) it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder… Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein's businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though. I'm not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn't dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn't be surprised if he showed up alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. He was killed! He's dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don't go looking for him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (3 children) "hacker"... According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein's handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved. I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn't a suicide. I'm not sure what incentive he'd have to both lie about identifying his brother's body and making so much noise about it being a murder... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JustinTheGM@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) I've been hearing that the "changed handle" thing isn't valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user's profile (and that wasn't the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child) it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder… Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein's businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though. I'm not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn't dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn't be surprised if he showed up alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. He was killed! He's dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don't go looking for him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustinTheGM@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago (1 child) I've been hearing that the "changed handle" thing isn't valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user's profile (and that wasn't the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child) it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child) it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child) it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Does it sound plausible from the perspective of a company that has probably at minimum thousands of accounts getting deleting or renamed per day? This seems like something that would have caused much bigger problems much earlier, just due to the number of people involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 6 months ago imo still very plausible… the key thing is deleted… accounts are rarely deleted, especially when they contain purchases and things like fortnight accounts do. more often than not, they’re suspended or just inactive which means the public ID remains used permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 child) I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder… Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein's businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though. I'm not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn't dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn't be surprised if he showed up alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though. I'm not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn't dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn't be surprised if he showed up alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though. I'm not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn't dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn't be surprised if he showed up alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago Yeah, that's exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. He was killed! He's dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don't go looking for him. permalink fedilink source parent