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Germany begins dismantling wind farm for coal (euobserver.com)
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German energy giant RWE has begun dismantling a wind farm to make way for a further expansion of an open-pit lignite coal mine in the western region of North Rhine Westphalia.

I thought renewables were cheaper than coal. How is this possible?

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[–] 20 points 3 years ago (14 children)

It's really bad for $$ to do the responsible thing, so we're going to proceed with existential environmental degradation. Because $.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    To be completely honest (and I am a huge anti-coal-mining dude), currently I'm happy that we still have the coalmines running. It would not have been possible to build solar and wind power fast enough to compensate for the coalmines, the only feasible alternative would have been gas and that comes from russia

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (5 children)

    Maybe nuclear could've been better than coal?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    There are a lot of things which in hindsight were better than coal. But when the decision was made to dig where the wind farm is, there wouldn't have been any time to build a nuclear power plant anymore

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    Nuclear was already better than coal 50 years ago... the whole anti-nuclear movement was predicated on the Chernobyl disaster, making "natural gas" and renewables better than nuclear, with a supposed phase-out of natural gas. Coal was always the worst option, both in emissions, and in the impact of open pit mining, when it was already known that deep shaft black coals mines had been getting depleted for decades.

    It was highly irresponsible to not renew the nuclear plants before there was at least enough renewables to replace them, and instead increase reliance on natural gas... from Russia from all places. Particularly after Crimea, there should have been a reassessment and a push to fast-track nuclear.

    It takes only 5 years to build a nuclear power plant, Crimea was 9 years ago; Germany had plenty of time to prepare itself, instead of investing in increasing NordStream capacity.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    It takes only 5 years to build a nuclear power plant, (...)

    I agree with most of the comment, but this is just an oversimplification. I'm sure that you can build a nuclear power plant in 5 years, if you have the requisite infrastructure, engineers and knowledge. Germany did not have any of those in sufficient amount to build anywhere near enough nuclear reactors between the decision to switch to coal & gas in around 2011 and the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Even France wouldn't be capable of that in such a short amount of time.

    Had they made that decision 30 years ago, sure, but in such short time? No way.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    infrastructure, engineers and knowledge. Germany did not have any of those in sufficient amount

    Germany had 17 nuclear power plants in 2011, when they decided to close half of them after Fukushima. Russia invaded Crimea in 2014. Last nuclear power plant closed in April 2023. I find it hard to believe that there was not enough expertise to build some new ones in all this time.

    the decision to switch to coal & gas

    This is what really rubs me the wrong way: coal should have been phased out before nuclear, not used to replace nuclear.

    It all seems like a grift and a knee jerk reaction under the guise of "look how green we are", while actually doing all the opposite.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    The issue being that of those 17 nuclear plants, the youngest was completed over 30 years before Fukushima. Germany had stopped construction of new nuclear plants way before 2011.

    I agree they shouldn't have closed ones already built of course. That was indeed a knee jerk reaction.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Germany is still going to use the same amount of coal whether this runs or not, they'd just import it from another country or have another mine go faster if there's one that still can

    The way to reduce coal is to increase low carbon sources of energy and to reduce consumption

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Do you really think it's more responsible to force the families out of their homes and demolish several villages/towns over some old wind turbines? Or did you mean the responsible thing being investing in renewables? I really can't tell, sorry 😅

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