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[-] XLE@piefed.social 280 points 6 days ago

Mozilla has released so many self-described AI features in the past few years, but this is the only one that has:

  • been requested by the community
  • received broad critical acclaim

I hope Mozilla learns their lesson. I doubt they will, but I hope.

[-] doug@lemmy.today 115 points 6 days ago

sadly I’ll likely support them through any shitty decisions they make as they are the only viable non-chromium alternative these days.

I get they’re chasing the buck and trying to stay relevant, but uhhhh… if they could be less Steve Buscemi-teen about it, that’d be great.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 86 points 6 days ago

I strongly believe that the EU should fund Mozilla, or a fork of Firefox.

Gecko is the only viable competitor to Blink/WebKit, and it is needed

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 67 points 6 days ago

Govts around the world should be funding all sorts of FOSS projects. I know they do to some degree but not much. It benefits the whole world and only hurts big tech.

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

That prospect becomes less and less likely the more government is bought and paid for by Big Tech.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 6 points 5 days ago

This is what people don't understand. Those in power, whether they're part of the government, a wealthy CEO, or a religious leader, will do what benefits themselves if they think they can get away with it. We keep talking about powerful organizations and what they could do to benefit everyone, but fail to realize that powerful people don't want to benefit everyone.

They only do what benefits everyone if they feel like they can't get away with just doing what benefits themselves. It's our responsibility to make sure they don't think they can get away with it, and clearly strongly-worded letters and quippy signs held outside their offices for an afternoon or two isn't enough to do that.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 25 points 6 days ago

Funding FF? Maybe. Funding Mozilla? No way, not with my money.

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[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

Maybe funding components would be better than funding mozilla. Eg: 2 engineers for Gecko

[-] XLE@piefed.social 39 points 6 days ago

This is probably common knowledge to you and many others, but it bears repeating: You cannot donate to fund the development of Mozilla Firefox.

Google can, unfortunately.

[-] Tehhund@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I'm pretty sure you can donate to Mozilla, are you saying that donations to Mozilla don't accomplish what we might want? I only know a little about how much Mozilla sucks so I'm ready to learn more.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There are two interlinked Mozillas: the Mozilla Foundation is what you can donate to, but the Mozilla Corporation is what develops Firefox. No matter how much you donate, that money cannot (or will not) be transferred to Firefox development.

Mozilla's recent history includes privacy flub after financial management misstep, so here's a few links in no particular order of severity or chronology:

Each of these are a little rabbit hole on their own.

Would you like to know more?

[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Reminder that Krebs is an asshole who responds to criticism by doxxing the accounts of other security researchers.

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I recommend Waterfox

They have pledged to not fill their browser with AI slop features.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Last time I tried Waterfox some sites like Twitch that actively block usage on old browsers, refused to work because the latest Waterfox release was based on a Firefox like 20+ builds behind.

Firefox was on like version 142 and the latest Waterfox download was based on build 128.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Waterfox right now is built on ESR 148, which is on par with the latest Firefox release! ESR releases will lag several versions behind, but that's normal (even on Mozilla's side), and I'd be kind of shocked if it was such a big gap

Edit: there was a big gap. 128 to 140 was the right jump, but Waterfox non-betas took a little less than two months to implement the change after Mozilla released it.

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I have used it for twitch for years without issue. I also have ublock origin with twitch adblock.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well you clearly haven't used the standard available download (non-beta/nightly release) consistently through last year. Waterfox was using ESR 128 since October 2024, kept that base until finally upgrading to ESR 140 last August. So that's nearly a year of its base being out of date. So the user agent reported that number... sites really don't like that since they're looking at that for support.

https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.5.0/ https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.0/

Twitch only supports the last TWO versions of Firefox officially and will actively block logging in from older versions. So while you might be able to watch Twitch, if you aren't already logged in, you won't be able to login.

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US

There are thousands of posts about it online for Waterfox other forks.

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[-] pipe01@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

If everyone switched from firefox to waterfox, Mozilla would kill firefox which would in turn will waterfox

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah ofc they are chasing the buck.

It's either they find alternatives revenue streams or we no longer have Firefox as a viable alternative anymore.

Browsers development is crazy engineering heavy, and thus, expensive.

It's a shitty situation all around.

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[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 38 points 6 days ago

To be fair people liked the translation feature too

[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I tried FF translation a couple times, and it's woefully poor compared to Google's. What am I doing wrong?

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago

Firefox's runs locally while google's runs on their (much more powerful) servers, for something similar to chrome's I'd just get the deepl extension, which does the same thing just better.

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[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 29 points 6 days ago

Problem is Mozilla needs money and shoving AI features into shit is how you get investors these past few years.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

You think VC is putting money into firefox? Wtf?

[-] XLE@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago

Funnily enough, it's the other way around: Mozilla has been dumping money into AI VC startups.

[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 4 points 6 days ago

I don't think the vietcong are doing much of anything for the past couple decades.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago

I think they’re desperate to make money since they’re losing userbass AND Google is probably not happy that most users change the default search engine away from them.

Does anyone really think the current administration is going to break up Google? Lina Khan almost did it but like most of the rest of this timeline we just didn’t quite get there

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Yeah it's a catch 22.

They either fail to get a big enough use base because their core users are not enough and they fail from a lack of funding.

Or they try to follow trends to increase their appeal and user base, and annoy their core users.

Most users don't realize that Mozilla is doing what Google is doing with Chrome with an engineering team 1/4 the size of the chrome team. And that the grand majority of their costs are engineering related.

Browsers are expensive, and Mozilla needs to find revenue streams to pay for it.

[-] raldone01@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I believe Firefox could raise a lot of money through donations. If they make it clear that Firefox donations will be solely used for Firefox development. Also ideally add a quick survey to donations to see what the "donating" userbases values are. My issue with donating to Mozilla is that it is too broad and they have many products I don't care for.

I use Thunderbird and donate to it because I feel it's more focused. I believe Mozilla still can use the funds for other stuff but at least I am donating for a clear project.

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