Everybody knows about the backstory, there was a civil war, KMT fled to Taiwan creating two Chinas sort of, maybe, neither recognises the other, whole thing. ROC (Taiwan) ended up transitioning from military rule to a multi-party democracy, while the PRC (mainland China) didn't do that (they did reform economically, "socialism with Chinese characteristics" and all that, but still a one-party state, not a multi-party democracy). The status quo right now is that Taiwan is in the grey area of statehood where they function pretty much independently but aren't properly recognised, and both sides of the strait are feeling pretty tense right now.

Taiwan's stance on the issue is that they would like to remain politically and economically independent of mainland China, retaining their multi-party democracy, political connections to its allies, economic trade connections, etc. Also, a majority of the people in Taiwan do not support reunification with China.

China's stance on the issue is that Taiwan should be reunified with the mainland at all costs, ideally peacefully, but war is not ruled out. They argue that Taiwan was unfairly separated from the mainland by imperial powers in their "century of humiliation". Strategically, taking Taiwan would be beneficial to China as they would have better control of the sea.

Is it even possible for both sides to agree to a peaceful solution? Personally, I can only see two ways this could go about that has the consent of both parties. One, a reformist leader takes power in the mainland and gives up on Taiwan, and the two exist as separate independent nations. Or two, the mainland gets a super-reformist leader that transitions the mainland to a multi-party democracy, and maybe then reunification could be on the table, with Taiwan keeping an autonomous status given the large cultural difference (similar to Hong Kong or Macau's current status). Both options are, unfortunately, very unlikely to occur in the near future.

A third option (?) would be a pseudo-unification, where Taiwan becomes a recognised country, but there can be free movement of people between the mainland and Taiwan, free trade, that sort of stuff (sort of like the EU? Maybe?). Not sure if the PRC would accept that.

What are your thoughts on a peaceful solution to the crisis that both sides could agree on?

edit: Damn there are crazies in both ends of the arguments. I really don't think giving Taiwan nukes would help solve the problem.

I think the current best solution, looking at the more reasonable and realistic comments, seems to be to maintain the status quo, at least until both sides of the strait are able to come into some sort of agreement (which seems to be worlds away right now given their current very opposing stances on the issue)

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[–] -3 points 6 months ago* (23 children)

Yeah, sorry, I don't really believe you. Or your framing would be like "What is your favourite thing about the PRC?"

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I asked a question out of curiosity after someone came to me and self identified as pro independence. They answered about no democracy, I pointed out we also have democracy. Please just learn to read or fuck off.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I doubt they're going to agree with your interpretation of democracy.

    And I will reply to who I like.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Who are you to say what they agree or disagree with. I pointed out we have elections and democracy. That is a fact that they seemingly didn't know. Why are you here spamming me and accusing me of bullshit just because you are illiterate.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I think it's likely that they reject how elections are done in China as valid forms of democracy in this case. I know you only reply here to do apologetics for the PRC because it's pretty obvious your bias is in favour of them.

    And I "spam" because you reply back. Me replying to a post once is not what constitutes spam. I always reply to people.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why are you still speaking for them. "Apologetics" is when I try explain history to an American illiterate. And I call it spam because you have seemingly sought me out across multiple conversations in this thread you weren't involved in to insert your idiocy.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago

    Why are you still speaking for them.

    Just saying what I think is likely.

    Apologetics” is when I try explain history to an American illiterate. And I call it spam because you have seemingly sought me out across multiple conversations in this thread you weren’t involved in to insert your idiocy.

    I just scanned the thread again after not being around for hours to see any new conversations. Found one. I reply to who I like in a thread, no matter who it is if I feel I have something to say. It's no good continually replying to someone to say "stop spamming me". I'd argue it's absurd.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Weird how you're allowed to read in motives whenever anyone else asks a question, yet you saw no need to establish relevance to the questions you asked me. Clearly, based on the irrelevant questions you asked "out of curiosity" prove that your real positions are not what you claim, since that's how it works, apparently.

    Why do I keep bothering to point out all the many, many points of hypocrisy, double-standards, and self-contradiction of this unapologetic chauvinist? I can't say.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Weird how you’re allowed to read in motives whenever anyone else asks a question, yet you saw no need to establish relevance to the questions you asked me.

    Don't get the 'gotcha' here at all. Or what you imagine the double-standard or hypocrisy is here at all.

    Clearly, based on the irrelevant questions you asked “out of curiosity” prove that your real positions are not what you claim, since that’s how it works, apparently.

    My real position is pro-Taiwan independence (long-term) and pro status-quo now. I don't think I've ever hidden this.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    No, your real position is pro-independence now.

    No, it's not. Quote me where I have said that Taiwan should immediately start official legislative move towards independence.

    Why else would you ask me irrelevant questions interrogating me about why unification positions weren’t more popular?

    I wanted to know precisely why you think the disparity exists, and you never did answer me as to why Taiwanese identity seems to have a majority on the island.

    Is this just your chauvinism reasserting itself, once again putting words in other people’s mouths because you see them as inferior?

    Quote me where I called anyone inferior.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    So now you're just going to start hurling insults, are you?

    Who did I make things up about?

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I challenged them because they claimed to be neutral in another comment chain to me, but clearly aren't in this one when responding to another poster.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I've directly told you that I do support the status quo as a least-bad option because of China threatening to invade if Taiwan ever officially pursues independence. But whilst that is true, I also do support Taiwan, long-term trying to orientate themselves towards attaining independence down-the-line. It's obviously unrealistic to expect it to happen anytime soon though.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, they did. But then after that they then queried why a Taiwanese person who posted in the thread specifically doesn't want to join the PRC. I've never at any point hidden my position regarding Taiwan.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    But then, after you claimed your position, you queried me, someone who clearly and explicitly supports the status quo, why unification wasn’t more popular.

    Sure. I was wondering why you thought the disparity exists even within the polling data. (25% to about 7-8%)

    This proves that you support immediate independence, by the same logic that the other user’s question “proves” they’re lying about their stance.

    This makes no sense at all.

    I think if you claim to be neutral and then trot out pro-PRC points to the only Taiwanese poster who posts in the thread (that I know) that says they don't want to be part of the PRC, it looks dodgy.

    Are we going to be going at this all day?

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think if you claim to support the status quo and then trot out pro-independence talking points to other people who support the status quo, it looks dodgy.

    I support Taiwan independence long-term, but don't seek to dictate to them what they should do or want to incite them to declare independence now.

    As I said: I do support the status quo as a least-bad option because of China threatening to invade if Taiwan ever officially pursues independence. But whilst that is true, I also do support Taiwan, long-term trying to orientate themselves towards attaining independence down-the-line. It’s obviously unrealistic to expect it to happen anytime soon though.

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