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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

I've had a relatively good experience with OnlyOffice, although it has some issues.

Personally I don't see interoperability as an anti-open issue, but I can appreciate the stance. I think I have to investigate to understand how the Microsoft format diverges from the open standard for office XML files, or in what way the format remains proprietary. I had been under the impression that OnlyOffice follows the open standard.

OnlyOffice does ape Microsoft Office in a lot of ways but I see that as a positive. Users are far more likely in my opinion to switch to something that looks and feels familiar.

LibreOffice is hard to use. The menus and shortcuts are not well organized and the entire suite feels like a relic from the early 2000s. If they invested in a modern UI with less friction for users who are looking for MS alternatives, they wouldn't be facing competition from projects like OnlyOffice. If they invested in feature parity for mobile users, they wouldn't be losing potential users to those who offer it.

They have an incredibly powerful backend with far more capability than the more junior OnlyOffice. Yet they fail to recognize why that just doesn't matter to the majority of users. Most users just want to quickly author and edit files, share them with other users, and get on with the next task. LibreOffice has become overly fixated on niche features and optimizations that are very cool from a technical standpoint but are totally out of touch.

By the way, LibreOffice also supports OOXML, so... do with that what you want.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

or in what way the format remains proprietary.

Most of it is proprietary extensions. There's a whole wikipedia article over the drama.

Stallman quote:

Microsoft corrupted many members of ISO in order to win approval for its phony 'open' document format, OOXML. This was so governments that keep their documents in a Microsoft-only format can pretend that they are using 'open standards.' The government of South Africa has filed an appeal against the decision, citing the irregularities in the process.

And FSFE' stance on it.

Edit: moved it in a separate comment.

[-] FG_3479@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago
[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

No clue. Maybe they got rid of old stuff?

The situation with OOXML didn't get better at least.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -3 points 20 hours ago

To me, this would be like if VLC made an angry post about the evils of MP3 instead of just making a great player that can handle it (which they have). People still use VLC because we know that it will handle anything. Plus, they've kept the interface simple and intuitive, with most needed functions front and center, with lots of specialized features in menus and settings.

LibreOffice is losing ground because they don't take design seriously and instead of making interoperability a priority, they would rather complain about user preferences.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Simply the fact that, unlike OnlyOffice, LO misses inline equations in presentations (unless you resort to strange hacks and workarounds) makes LO unusable for my use case. I'm not complaining, but that's what it is.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

False information. LibreOffice nowadays has multiple types of interfaces to choose from, including some matching more modern MS office. Give it another try.

[-] 20dogs@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

They should default to a more modern interface rather than asking newbies to make the change.

[-] Lojcs@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It still has idiosyncrasies that create friction. Looking like it's from early 2000s is much less of a problem imo than confusing buttons and unintuitive workflows. E: It's also strangely laggy and multimonitor support on wayland is still not fixed

[-] ptu@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Do know if Calc has some Power Query equivalent ETL-tool or supports multiple people working a file simultaneously in cloud?

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

I last ran serious testing a year ago. I ended up going with OnlyOffice. Despite some drawbacks, it was an easier switch that offered less friction and better file compatibility coming from MS.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago

By the way, LibreOffice also supports OOXML, so… do with that what you want.

Yes, from the article:

LibreOffice currently handles ODF files perfectly and handles OOXML files better than Windows 365 and other software handle ODF files. Poor handling of ODF files “forces” users towards OOXML files, thus pushing them towards lock-in and protecting a business worth around $30 billion (because lock-in functions like a pair of handcuffs).

[-] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Agreed that there interface looks like the late late 90’s.

I’d recommend Libre more often but it’s a step backwards for most average users in UI. Microsoft has had the ribbon since, what, Office 2007?

[-] tackleberry 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I honestly prefer the classic LibreOffice UI. The ribbon thing takes up a lot of screen space and i really didn't like it when it debuted in Office 2007. Then microsoft made the color a fancy bluish hue so it could be more fancy. LibreOffice is the best

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 22 points 1 day ago

LO also has the ribbon interface. But not by default.

[-] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

It should be by default.

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 4 points 22 hours ago

The Ribbon interface is terrible, though. The styles selector doesn't fit the entire button, and it also doesn't resize with your window size, remaining super tiny not capable of displaying three full options simultaneously.

Word at least got that right.

My preferred layout is Sidebar, but even there the style is just a regular dropdown. LibreOffice is fantastic, but they need to put some more work into UX.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

IIRC, the last time I used a new install of LO for the first time, it asked me which interface I preferred instead of defaulting to the old one.

[-] tackleberry 4 points 1 day ago

Good. Those that want it can enable it. I don't. Takes up too much screen space showing a lot of unnecessary icons

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

True, but it is a purely aesthetic rearrangement of the menus. It doesn't make it any more straightforward to navigate. Plus it doesn't really function correctly on Windows (and it takes up just as much screen space).

It was a good step when they rolled it out about a decade ago, but they still haven't done the work to make it better organized or show appropriate hierarchy.

[-] rzadkie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

but it is a purely aesthetic rearrangement of the menus

And what do you think gui is?

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

As per my previous comment, it should offer reasonable use of screen space, visual hierarchy, and well-reasoned organization. Moving bad menus to a different arrangement on the screen doesn't magically make them into good menus.

As a first step, it was a good move, although it was a decade late when it came out. They still haven't done a major redesign another decade on.

[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

You're the first account I've seen endorse OpenOffice, and I've been casually looking for a better alternative to word since the copilot bullshit last year.

Do you have a good example of something they added since LibreOffice forked off that's worth considering if choosing an alternative?

[-] FG_3479@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

OpenOffice is not the same as OnlyOffice. The latter is modern software with a decent UI and MS Office file support; the former has had almost no changes since 2014.

[-] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago

OpenOffice ≠ OnlyOffice

OpenOffice is no longer actively maintained to my knowledge, and should be avoided as such

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