I appreciate we can agree on the NATO wrongdoings, that's cool, thank you.

I'm not saying Russia never tortured or cremated anybody. Every party to this conflict has done that in the droves. But it's disingenuous to imply that peace under Russia means exceptional mass torture and death squads. "Peace" before Russia invaded was 8 years of civil war where Ukraine killed its own civilians with artillery every day.

Elections under the Ukrainian boot are no good either. Democratic parties were (and are) frequently made illegal on spurious grounds, corruption is rife, heck, the elected president got ruddy coup'd not that long ago. We certainly hear of more publicised political killings in Russia than in the west, what the truth is I don't know, but I think the chasm in difference of democratic 'quality' is a lot less than we care to tell ourselves.