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Beyond fucked up (CW: sexualizing children) (thelemmy.club)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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[–] 43 points 6 months ago (2 children)

For people who weren’t around in the 70s and 80s trust me the sexism and sexual abuse back then was unreal!

How Shields was treated was not unusual at all.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    And fwiw, it wasn't acceptable then nor now.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It was obviously acceptable then. They put it in a magazine to prove the point.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Just because people did it, didn't make it acceptable then nor now. Just because a person murders another person and it happened, doesn't make it acceptable. There is a bend to history written by the powerful that history absolves because "what was acceptable was different at the time." This line of thinking is flawed, ethics existed then too. Things like slavery and racism were just as wrong during times of codified 'legal' chattel slavery as it is today. It silences those enslaved and the many many people who decried its existence.

    Same applies here.

    Literally what we are fighting against with the Epstein files is precisely this.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    You speak like you were an adult during that time. Were you outspoken against the incident then or can you remember people showing revulsion like we do towards the Billionaire/Trump-Class Epstein event?

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    I was a bit young so I don't remember well, but wasn't there a mainstream movie about a girls sports team that was essentially just teen (13+ not 18+) softcore lesbian porn? I think one of the Hemmingway sisters was in it.

    EDIT: I think I am jamming two movies together. One is Personal Best (1982) with Mariel Hemingway. I still can't remember the name of the young teen girls one but I do now remember that the plot was that these young girls were trying to lose their virginity. Fucking boomers. Seriously.

    EDIT 2:

    Found it. The second movie was Little Darlings about girls at camp.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    One was a boomer and one was Matt Dillon who was their age, but yeah it was an insane movie.

    AND IT WAS BILLED AS FAMILY ENTERTIANMENT TOO!!!

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    The image above shows that it was rated R, so not a family movie. IDK, that kinda makes it worse in a way? If it were PG then there wouldn’t be any nudity. And a PG movie could be intended for actual teenagers. A rated R movie is primarily for an 18+ audience, so these girls were definitely being marketed to the adult male gaze.

    ETA: I saw this decades ago when I was way too young and don’t recall if there was actually nudity.

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  • [+] -11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Not exactly of boomer age myself but deducting that you're younger I think it's pretty sad that you have this opinion...

    Yeah, teenage girls are interested in sex. Even lesbian sex! Sorry. It's sad that you think it's 'unhygienic' or whatever that there's movies about it.

    A few decades later American Pie broke the box office on the same premise. Is that ok because it's all heterosexual?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Read my comment again. In the edits I clarified that my memory jammed Personal Best and Little Darlings together.

    Yes, I am younger than a boomer, but I am still in my fifties.

    I'm bisexual and have been dealing with homophobic bullshit for over forty years, so please kindly fuck off with your insinuations of homophobia.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But then what do you find wrong with that movie? Apparently it's about 15 year olds trying to get laid at camp. I sure was trying to get laid at camp when I was 15

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It, and other movies of the seventies and early eighties opted to sexualize young actresses, primarily for the enjoyment of adults and not to help young people feel seen and represented.

    You bring up American Pie, a movie about teens trying to get laid. Not a single one of those actors being sexualized was a minor or presented as a minor. That's what I have a problem with.

    I do not have a problem acknowledging young teen sexuality. I have a problem with the sexualization and exploitation of young teens by movie makers at the time.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't seen the movie, only read synopsis and reviews, and it doesn't seem at all like the actresses are sexualized. It's a coming of age comedy. Maybe the idea about 15 year olds thinking about sex is what got your mind going at the time?

    Can you explain how they were exploited?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    I haven't seen the movie, only read synopsis and reviews...

    The main actresses were of age (17 & 18 at time of filming) but the movie was about a girls camp. Most of the other girls were much younger. Cynthia Nixon was 13 and looking younger. My issue is more with the portrayal than the plot. For a few years in the 70's and early 80's there was a trend to make jailbait movies for the pleasure of adults. Little Darlings wasn't the worst, but it is still problematic. The plot of Tatum O'Neil's character flirting and trying to bed a man in his late twenties or thirties was included for no other reason other than to feed the fantasies of the adult males in the Audience.

    Manhattan is another disturbing example. The actress was 16 and the plot was of a man in his forties in a sexual relationship with a high school girl.

    The Fog. Jamie Lee Curtis plays a teen hitchhiker than promptly fucks the rando trucker that gives her a lift.

    Examples seem endless and they all point to the same obsession that generation of men have with young teen girls. Woody Allen, Trump, Epstein, Ted Nugent, etc. They all demonstrated the same issue.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    I don't think the opinion that young teens have an interest in sex is the problem.

    I think it's the tasteless execution of creating a whole ass movie about that opinionfantasy, and portraying them as debauched sex starved little whores.

    just my 2¢

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