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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Dave@lemmy.nz to c/support@lemmy.nz

As many of you will know, we have been borrowing server hosting, which kept costs very minimal. Many of you donated to the host (thanks!), but a while back they stopped taking donations as they wound down operations including transferring mastodon.nz to new people and gave me notice that we would eventually need to move to other hosting.

That was quite some time back, and now I've been notified that the time has finally come. At some point in this month we will swap over to a new host. It will also involve significantly increased costs to run the server (up from almost nothing), and most likely we will move to a VPS off of the current shared but dedicated hardware to more appropriate specs, and move to using object storage for images. All this will likely require some down time, which I will try to give notice of. I'm currently planning for this to be quite significant (perhaps done over the course of a whole weekend), since this would involve migrating all images to object storage which must be done with pict-rs shut down (others have reported 8+ hours for this), as well as transferring all other data to a new VPS, then a slow period of time as it catches up on federation. The second day would be a backup in case something went wrong.

When this move happens, I'll also start to do regular financial updates. In the past people have been interested in running costs, but they have been minimal out of pocket due to the server hosting being free to me. With the increased costs it makes sense to start regular updates about what it costs to run the instance, similar to what other instances do. There is a very wide range in what this could cost, and it's not clear right now what the lowest spec server is that we could get away with. But I am hoping we can keep this under $50 a month. People have asked previously about donations, a little while back I set up a page so you could donate directly to Lemmy.nz, here is the post about it (with the emphasis on not donating if it will materially impact you): https://lemmy.nz/post/21494039

Before moving forward, I'd like some input from Lemmy.nz users on some specific questions:

Currently we are hosted in NZ, how important is it to continue this? (with cost being the main barrier)

We will try to host in NZ if we can, but if cost becomes an issue, is it a big deal to host in Australia or elsewhere? We will want to try to stay close to NZ so NZ based users have low latency

Do people object to Cloudflare?

Currently we use Cloudflare, with benefits around loading faster for people in other countries (due to the CDN) and the ability to more easily handle AI scrapers.

Cloudflare puts us in the power of a large company and reduces our independence, but it also reduces bandwidth usage and have tools to more easily fight AI scrapers that cripple the server. Cloudflare offers captcha services that help this.

Remember, users on other instances that don't proxy images will also be loading images directly from our servers, which Cloudflare will reduce the latency of due to their CDN.

If people object to Cloudflare, I am willing to attempt to avoid using it, adding Anubus and managing IP blocklists, but it will be more work. It will also be a slightly higher cost, as we will need a higher traffic allocation since Cloudflare currently caches a lot of image traffic.

Pātai?

If you have any questions, let me know!

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 week ago

Sounds like a big job, I’d offer to help, but I honestly have no idea what I’m doing.

Now you mention it, losing this host is effectively losing my backup. Is there a Lemmy.nz regular that does know what they are doing?

In terms of support, I’m happy to contribute a small amount monthly on an ongoing basis.

Thanks!

For server hosting, NZ is probably ideal, but I’m probably going to be happy with anywhere that doesn’t currently have an authoritarian leaning government. I know that cuts down options significantly.

It seems even just jumping across to Aussie hosting gives a good price drop, but it does seem feasible that we could do NZ hosting. The cheapest I have found so far is zappiehost.com who have NZ servers (and actually happens to be where the hardware we are on is sitting at the moment), but happy to hear other options if anyone knows a good and inexpensive NZ host.

Cloudflare, I’m not a huge fan of, although I know that they keep a large part of the net safe. They have issues of their own. I saw recently that the Canadian instances were switching to a Canadian product - deflect - again I don’t really know what I’m doing so I don’t know if it’s feasible or not.

I think Lemmy.ca ended up registering as a not-for-profit which gets them free use of that Deflect service. I'm not convinced it's important enough to pay for, given out of the box settings don't usually work as at least for Cloudflare, any bot blocking kills federation so it needs to be carefully managed anyway.

[-] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 2 points 5 days ago

I know enough to help out. Developer for the past 10 years. I know my way around a network happy to help out if you need a rubber duck to bounce ideas off of

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 5 days ago

Nice, thanks for the offer. Do you happen to use Matrix?

[-] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 2 points 5 days ago

Nope. Mostly a signal dude myself. However i did just make a matrix account on matrix.org

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah not many people use tend to use Matrix, however, for Lemmy admin stuff it's prevalent. For spam coordination, Matrix. For Lemmy support or Pict-rs (Lemmy image backend) support, there are various matrix rooms. Mbin and Piefed stuff also happens on Matrix. I guess the federated nature of Matrix is attractive to Fediverse admins.

If you want, you could join the Lemmy.nz matrix room (linked from this post), or just message me directly on Matrix (my account should be linked from my profile page - though I don't seem able to see the button myself, it should be there for you). Then we can chat 🙂

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