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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The things is, epstein wasn’t right or left. He played both sides as long as it served him.

It also makes complete sense for people like that to not give a fuck about political ideologies, because politics barely affect them. Laws or policy just get ignored, its just something to keep the masses distracted with.

Trump would actually be the same if it wasn’t for being addicted to the populism that comforts his ego. Still be a racist and fascist in nature of course, but not actually caring about political power as long as they can do whatever.

[-] FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

epstein wasn’t right or left. He played both sides as long as it served him.

I can guarantee he wasn't preaching about leftist ideals such as workers rights and billionaire taxation.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Yes he wasn’t left, like i said.

[-] FirmDistribution@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I was trying to say that being left or right is about the ideals and not the politcal figure he chooses to support or interact.

In my experience, I've never met anyone that doesn't lean to the left or the right.

[-] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In my experience, I’ve never met anyone that doesn’t lean to the left or the right.

That would mean you quiz everyone you meet on political issues, or you make some bold assumptions about their beliefs. People can surprise you, sometimes they consider themselves one wing but are actually the other.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago

But he was though. He did have an ideology. That ideology was everything in service of himself and other elites/billionaires in society. And what it means to be rich/powerful is a part of that ideology in the first place. Everyone has an ideology, whether they realize it or not

This is what you expect to see in a world with hierarchies and where the rich and powerful are entrenched. Nothing here is unexpected or otherwise incompatible with leftist analysis

In what world could you say that Epstein gave circumstantial support to the left? At what point did he ever support lessening the amount of power the powerful have? Left vs right is far more than just social issues, it's the whole package

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ideology yes, but not fitting on the traditional left/right spectrum.

There are more than 2 ideologies, the left/right divide is only a grouped polarisation of policies. And a useful one to billionaires.

If policies don’t affect you, you don’t need to care about either. You can be gay and own guns. You can be anti immigration but pro abortion.

Now what is true that the right is a much more practical tool for billionaires to maintain the status quo. But its not like they actually care or agree with what voters think. Like people who own a private island give a fuck about building a wall between US/Mexico. It’s all just part of a game to them. And Epsteins job was to maintain a level of friendly neutrality to influence both sides of it.

fitting on the traditional left/right spectrum.

Maybe if you are using the American definition of left and right...... The traditional geopolitical definition of left and right has to do with economics not how woke you are.

By the traditional definition of left and right he is definitively right winged.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I can’t verify this for all of the non US west but i was under the impression that far right party in Germany was running on an anti-immigrant rhetoric and that plenty of smaller populist parties are mimicking maga.

Yes, most far right parties are very nationalistic and based in populism. They typically are also very pro capitalism while being very anti socialism.

A parties view on cultural progressiveness isn't the main determining factor wether or not they are far left or far right.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And as I mentioned, it's more than just social issues. I say this as a minority of multiple kinds.. and also as someone who isn't American

Your image is literally a leftist position. The concept of class warfare is firmly established in leftist thought. It often does end up associating with the social issues you have in mind, because it's all supported upon the same foundation of, well, creating a society for all, and not for the select few

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago

And as I mentioned, it's more than just social issues. I say this as a minority of multiple kinds.. and also aa someone who isn't American

Your imagine is literally a leftist position. The concept of class warfare is firmly established in leftist thought. It often does end up associating with the social issues you have in mind, because it's all supported upon the same foundation of, well, creating a society for all, and not for the select few

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I agree that this is a left wing position, i do consider myself far left also.

What i don’t agree with is that not being left wing or even directly in opposition to it automatically makes you right wing. The binary spectrum is part of how they maintain power, once you look past politics ideology becomes much more dynamic and nuanced.

As an example i have known people who did not identify with any politics, refuse to vote, are against the super rich, support lgbt and abortion but are super racist to non natives and are scared of the word socialism. Those were commoners but i am sure the elites can be like this also.

Cannot forget that the lifestyle of the elites does mimic a level of insider socialism.

As i have mentioned the right is very useful to billionaires but i don’t for a second believe the billionaires really care about any of the things right wing voters do.

They are their own group of neo aristocracy.

[-] obre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I disagree, the elite are right wing. They believe that there should be an in-group, the ultra-wealthy, that society supports but does not restrict. They are capitalists, both in the ideological sense and in the sense that they own capital. The most moderate or them are conservatives who see that they have benefited from the status quo and seek to preserve it. The radicals are fascists, neo-monarchists, theocrats and the like who seek a world order that is even less equal and less fair for the common person than the pseudo-democracy that we have now.

The right more broadly are the many millions of rubes that have bought into the propaganda created by and for these elites. They are those who are primed to believe their lies, because they have fear and anger that overwhelms their critical thinking, limited access to education, culturally embedded and reinforced bigotry, and privileges that they are told depend on the status quo.

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