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Got into a discussion with a friend who is a biologist about the "human nature" argument against communism. My best shot was saying that we used to live in a sort of proto communism so the evidence of it working are there. He didn't accept that argument and basicly said that due to natural selection, competition etc. and that all social structures eventually disolve.

I didn't have good ideas on how to respond after that.

EDIT: Forgot the question, how could I have defended this argument more?

EDIT2: I read each and every comment anyone posts, I just can't respond to all of you, thanks so much for the explanations it really goes to show how awesome this community is.

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[-] Lowleekun@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Maybe he should stick to his science or read some more because that is not how society works or worked at all. What is humanity's biggest strength but working (and thinking) together? Can in this regard a "old sick cripple" not be just as valuable as a healthy young person? Indeed they can and have been countless times. Pretty much nothing we have could be had without thousands of people working hand in hand, even if they never meet.

Natural selection is not very much a thing for us. I would rather call it societal selection, as we decide what is valuable and what is not. Who gets to live and who gets to die. And these decisions are shaped in most parts by our very much chosen modes of economy.

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