when dealing with ice a semi auto shotgun has a useful purpose: knock em back without killing. but i will point out the man with the shotgun was bracketed by a man holding a 7.62 and a man carrying a 5.56. there's clearly more consideration and coordination going on here. you're absolutely right about what's best for the average person, who i presume is not yet a member of a community defense group, but once you're in a community defense group, take a listen to what the whole group needs more of.