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I've been looking for ways to weaken the United States from the inside and I wonder what you guys think of U.S. secession movements. How much emphasis should be placed on them? How should people go about them? I've been thinking about this for a few years. I suppose I would meet up at a secessionist group and talk about Parenti's work.

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[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here's what I mean when i say that the right is unfortunately ahead of the curve compared to most of the European left on the issue of the EU. This is from a pretty conservative account so the framing is right wing but the core of the analysis is not wrong:

The EU is nothing but a facilitating structure of the United States, tasked with upholding the post-WW2 power architecture and preserving American dominance on the European continent—along with everything that comes with it.

As long as the EU exists in its current form, Europe will never be sovereign or capable of charting its own destiny.

It will remain an afterthought of the American Empire, bending over in the most masochistic way imaginable to maintain a global order built on a neutered Europe—one that solely benefits the U.S.

The problem with the EU is that it’s a fake concept at its core.

There is no such thing as a “European people” or a shared “European identity.”

There are French, German, Italian, Spanish, Austrian, Czech, Polish peoples—with their own cultures, histories, and values.

None of these are respected under the EU’s increasingly authoritarian, top-down structure.

The EU attempts to force in decades what takes centuries to grow organically.

It suppresses national identity, culture, and pride, and tries instead to instill a plastic liberal ideology and a hollow, universalist cultural template that not a single European truly believes in.

The EU is modeled too closely on imperial Rome—one rule, top-down, comply or be crushed.

It tries to manufacture a unity that doesn’t exist—at least not in this form.

https://xcancel.com/DlugajJuly/status/2008202267342909866

Of course the prescribed "solution" of restoring the HRE is batshit crazy right wing nonsense, but the point is that they correctly identify the inherent unsustainability of the EU project as it currently exists.

And by being the only ones (with the rare exception of socialists like ourselves who are only a very small fraction of the broader left) who are pointing out that the project does not actually serve the interests of European people, and by at least in part correctly diagnosing the problem (while of course, because they are not socialists, omitting actual class analysis such as pointing out how the EU serves capitalist interests first and foremost) rather than going along with the liberal establishment's "just close your eyes and ears and pretend like everything is fine" approach, like the broad mass of socdems in Europe do, the right wing gain legitimacy and support from a not inconsiderable segment of the working class (in addition to the petite bourgeoisie to whom this analysis is most appealing) for their reactionary agenda.

The task of socialists is to reframe this critique from a progressive and class based rather than reactionary nationalistic perspective. The reason many on the right want to leave the EU is because they feel it doesn't allow them to be as racist as they want.

The reason why we want to leave the EU is because we recognize that the EU is itself a racist and colonial institution that serves capital and empire and crushes the working class with neoliberalism, militarism and austerity.

this post was submitted on 05 Jan 2026
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