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[–] 218 points 8 months ago (77 children)

List of blocked words in community names:

shit
piss
fuck
cunt
cocksucker
motherfucker
tits
memes
piracy
196
greentext
usauthoritarianism
enoughmuskspam
political_weirdos
4chan

Seems like one of the PieFed devs has some opinions about the kind of content they dislike, and are unilaterally forcing that on every PieFed instance. I can somewhat understand filtering out curse words, but specific communities should not blocked by default, and definitely not hidden in a hardcoded list in the source code.

Edit: Important context here: https://lemmy.world/comment/21323475 Seems this blocklist is more limited in scope; it's not blocking federation entirely, just blocking (from what I can tell) their appearance in search and automatically federating with them when adding an instance. Still problematic to exclude specific communities in a non-configurable way with little justification IMO.

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  • [–] 130 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Damn this should honestly be spread and talked about more. I don't think many people know this is a thing?

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  • [–] 131 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Considering PieFed users won’t shut the fuck up about how much better and less politically opinionated it is, yeah we should probably shout this from the rooftops.

    Reminds me of Brave browser users a bit

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    One of PyFed's selling points was that it was easier to work with than Lemmy. It's going to be amusing when that takes a 180 turn and people start complaining.

    Python is great for prototyping and iterating on small projects or as glue for modules written in C and C++. What it isn't great at is linearly scaling on a single node. When the day that throwing more powerful hardware at the problem stops being an option, Kubernetes is going to walk through that door and fuck any semblance of simplicity up.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I think Lemmy has some in-memory data structures that limit the backend to a single node, too. Also postgres is great, but Lemmy really fucked up their database performance somehow.

    But yeah large python codebases turn into spaghetti really quickly.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    "Ours is not biased and less opinionated, because it agrees with my bias and opinions."

    This is every single Lemmy v PieFed argument. No matter what platform you host or use, its just this on the grand scale of things.

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  • [–] 58 points 8 months ago* (12 children)

    They also put "memes" and "enoughmuskspam."

    The latter I guess could be used to stop Musk spam (since the community is literally nothing but Elon Musk news) but not allowing the word "memes" in a community name?

    Utterly stupid.

    But they do appear to be fans of Carlin based on the first 7 banned words.

    There's no racial slurs in there either. I might have assumed this was merely an example an operator is meant to edit themselves, but these are some weird ass choices for even that.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I wonder why the dev had an issue with 196

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    If I had to guess, 196 is more queer positive.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That still makes no sense

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago

    I don't think that's the reason. The code mentions it filtering out "low-effort" communities so the devs probably didn't like seeing so many posts from it on their frontpage.

    # sort out the 'seven things you can't say on tv' names (cursewords), plus some
# "low effort" communities
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    You're wrong. Rimu has never expressed any objection to pro-LGBT sentiment and has even done interviews in regards to that. I have seen him ban people for anti-LGBT bigotry. This particular ruleset looks like a copy and paste from the retention rules that piefed.social currently has that doesn't save data from communities after 6 months. (RImu doesn't have a high opinion of meme-themed content and believes it to be a drain on server storage).

    I agree all of it should be optional, and I believe it currently is anyway as instance owners can revert this.

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  • [+] 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)
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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Got any other specific examples?

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I'm not okay with them filtering profanity, who the fuck are they to define what is or is not acceptable?

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Hard-coded filters, here we go again.
    https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    thanks for pointing to that issue. i dont know how piefed devs reacted to this. so i will give them the benefit of the doubt: it could very well be a quick and dirty solution, never meant to last long.

    as the lemmy devs showed, it does not have to be like this at all. but i haven't seen that much oppinionsted and defensive actions from the piefed devs.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think a regex to filter out common slurs isn't really the same

    The regex:

    (fag(g|got|tard)?\b|cock\s?sucker(s|ing)?|ni((g{2,}|q)+|[gq]{2,})[e3r]+(s|z)?|mudslime?s?|kikes?|\bspi(c|k)s?\b|\bchinks?|gooks?|bitch(es|ing|y)?|whor(es?|ing)|\btr(a|@)nn?(y|ies?)|\b(b|re|r)tard(ed)?s?)

    Link to code

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So if I started a piefed instance and wanted to host a 196 community I'd have to edit the list, but would every single other instance also have to or no?

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, every other instance would also refuse to federate unless they also changed their code. Because the blocklist is baked right into the code, so anyone just pulling and running it as-is will fail to federate.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    kind of content they dislike

    Or they like it and e.g. want just one strong 196 community.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What is a "196" community? I tried looking it up and there's only astrology stuff coming up.

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