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Just a quiet retcon (thelemmy.club)

One I think we can all get behind... Also fantastic that they took the dude who said that and SURROUNDED him with badass women on the bridge. Seriously they've got like Spock and Pike on the bridge and that's it.

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[-] supergrizzlybear@pawb.social 9 points 1 month ago

yeah i do get it but they still could have chosen a better line. even with context pike announcing his inability to get used to seeing women on the bridge just makes him sound like a bit of a dick

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True, but again I think you're pulling the line, and the scene in which it's delivered, out of context and expecting it to stand on its own - 61 years after it was filmed. Plus, it's a pilot episode that was ultimately rejected, and then later recut into an episode of the series that was actually produced.

In the historical context I gave above, what you're actually seeing is one of early Trek's many ham-fisted attempts to address the prevailing morality of the time in a far too direct way. Basically, Roddenberry is using Pike to preach at the audience of his day - he is commenting on the exclusion of women from shipboard service intentionally (and probably more generally the classic superstition about women on ships).

In this scene, Pike's character is being used as a stand-in for men who actually do (or did, in 1964) have "traditional" (sexist) ideas about women on ships, so that Roddenberry can tell them directly that he thinks they're wrong. The line is bad, because it's poorly written, it lacks subtlety - it is an example of the writer being preachy, to the point of tryhard. It is a failure to follow the old adage "show, don't tell".

The context in which this scene was written and performed no longer exists. To judge this in the context of the present and conclude that "Pike sounds like a dick" is to miss the point.

[-] supergrizzlybear@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

okay yeah that makes sense, thanks for taking the time to reply, of course pike ain't really a dick

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