▲ 480 ▼ Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage (insider-gaming.com) submitted 8 months ago by tonytins@pawb.social to c/games@lemmy.world 413 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] 7isanoddnumber@sh.itjust.works 62 points 8 months ago (1 child) They were disqualified for failing to disclose the AI usage, not just for using AI at all. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] maximumbird@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (2 children) To me, this is worse. We are getting closer and closer to not being able to tell the difference between AI and reality. This lying about the use of it or hiding the use of it is a bad fucking idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) They didn’t disclose it because there was no AI in the final product. The AI was for placeholder textures, which were replaced by real artists’ work as they were made. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day, but a week 1 patch removed all traces of the AI before anyone even realized it was AI. IMO this looks bad on the awards show, because the final product didn’t have any AI. And the production team was proactive in ensuring it didn’t have any AI before any kind of public backlash ever happened. Once they realized the issue, they issued a patch to fix it on their own, without needing to be pushed into it by public pressure. That’s what a company should do, and it shows that the devs really cared about their game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago there was no AI in the final product. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) The reason they didn't disclose it as being used in the creation of the game is probably because no AI was used in the ultimate development. It's an artist who uses AI to generate concepts and inspiration using AI in their artwork, even if everything in the end is hand crafted and doesn't resemble any of the generated images? One thing we need to take into account going forward too is that AI will inevitably be used for things like texture maps and environmental generation. Things that have been randomly generated with algorithms. In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, unless you want the pool of potential to be incredibly small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (2 children) In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, Damn, that sucks. I guess I'll have to find a new hobby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Nah, just pirate the stuff. If they don't give a fuck about original creators, why should we give a fuck about paying them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) Looks like. Board games are pretty awesome. Heck, you could become a game designer/developer! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maximumbird@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (2 children) To me, this is worse. We are getting closer and closer to not being able to tell the difference between AI and reality. This lying about the use of it or hiding the use of it is a bad fucking idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) They didn’t disclose it because there was no AI in the final product. The AI was for placeholder textures, which were replaced by real artists’ work as they were made. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day, but a week 1 patch removed all traces of the AI before anyone even realized it was AI. IMO this looks bad on the awards show, because the final product didn’t have any AI. And the production team was proactive in ensuring it didn’t have any AI before any kind of public backlash ever happened. Once they realized the issue, they issued a patch to fix it on their own, without needing to be pushed into it by public pressure. That’s what a company should do, and it shows that the devs really cared about their game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago there was no AI in the final product. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) The reason they didn't disclose it as being used in the creation of the game is probably because no AI was used in the ultimate development. It's an artist who uses AI to generate concepts and inspiration using AI in their artwork, even if everything in the end is hand crafted and doesn't resemble any of the generated images? One thing we need to take into account going forward too is that AI will inevitably be used for things like texture maps and environmental generation. Things that have been randomly generated with algorithms. In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, unless you want the pool of potential to be incredibly small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (2 children) In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, Damn, that sucks. I guess I'll have to find a new hobby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Nah, just pirate the stuff. If they don't give a fuck about original creators, why should we give a fuck about paying them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) Looks like. Board games are pretty awesome. Heck, you could become a game designer/developer! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) They didn’t disclose it because there was no AI in the final product. The AI was for placeholder textures, which were replaced by real artists’ work as they were made. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day, but a week 1 patch removed all traces of the AI before anyone even realized it was AI. IMO this looks bad on the awards show, because the final product didn’t have any AI. And the production team was proactive in ensuring it didn’t have any AI before any kind of public backlash ever happened. Once they realized the issue, they issued a patch to fix it on their own, without needing to be pushed into it by public pressure. That’s what a company should do, and it shows that the devs really cared about their game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago there was no AI in the final product. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago there was no AI in the final product. Some of the AI textures slipped through the cracks on release day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) The reason they didn't disclose it as being used in the creation of the game is probably because no AI was used in the ultimate development. It's an artist who uses AI to generate concepts and inspiration using AI in their artwork, even if everything in the end is hand crafted and doesn't resemble any of the generated images? One thing we need to take into account going forward too is that AI will inevitably be used for things like texture maps and environmental generation. Things that have been randomly generated with algorithms. In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, unless you want the pool of potential to be incredibly small. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (2 children) In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, Damn, that sucks. I guess I'll have to find a new hobby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Nah, just pirate the stuff. If they don't give a fuck about original creators, why should we give a fuck about paying them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) Looks like. Board games are pretty awesome. Heck, you could become a game designer/developer! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (2 children) In a year it's going to be nearly impossible to say no game can have any AI used at all, Damn, that sucks. I guess I'll have to find a new hobby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Nah, just pirate the stuff. If they don't give a fuck about original creators, why should we give a fuck about paying them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) Looks like. Board games are pretty awesome. Heck, you could become a game designer/developer! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) Nah, just pirate the stuff. If they don't give a fuck about original creators, why should we give a fuck about paying them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) You think my problem with AI is that it costs money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago Of course not, but I think not supporting those that use it to produce something you want to enjoy doesn't necessarily imply not enjoying what they produce, as long as it's not too thoroughly damaged by their use of it and as long as it can be obtained in ways that won't support them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) Looks like. Board games are pretty awesome. Heck, you could become a game designer/developer! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago Funny you mention that. permalink fedilink source parent