▲ 222 ▼ Bondi (Australia) shooting death toll rises to 16, including a child, after gunmen targeted Jewish festival (www.bbc.com) submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] to c/world@lemmy.world 85 comments fedilink hide all child comments Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now...
[+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -28 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nothing in that article says this guy is muslim, you're spreading misinformation about this man permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 24 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn't a guarantee he is Muslim, but it's a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's really not, he's Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy's religion because of his is literally just racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children) A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11] According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into. This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those). Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims. This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names I'm literally Arab lol In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (1 child) No I’m not. Not my job to look up other sources for you, but here you go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -18 points 8 months ago (1 child) Once again, this article doesn't show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article. I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven't seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago the interview with him includes him praising Allah. dude is Muslim. the only asshole making it a bad thing is you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 24 points 8 months ago (1 child) Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn't a guarantee he is Muslim, but it's a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's really not, he's Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy's religion because of his is literally just racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children) A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11] According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into. This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those). Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims. This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names I'm literally Arab lol In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's really not, he's Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy's religion because of his is literally just racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children) A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11] According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into. This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those). Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims. This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names I'm literally Arab lol In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children) A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11] According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) The majority of Lebanese people Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation. Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian. I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right. (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Last I checked less than half =/= majority It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian. The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago Fair enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into. This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those). Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims. This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names I'm literally Arab lol In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names I'm literally Arab lol In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago I'm literally Arab lol Cool, me too For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough? Ali, Umar, or Yusuf These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country. This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (1 child) No I’m not. Not my job to look up other sources for you, but here you go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -18 points 8 months ago (1 child) Once again, this article doesn't show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article. I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven't seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -18 points 8 months ago (1 child) Once again, this article doesn't show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article. I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven't seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago the interview with him includes him praising Allah. dude is Muslim. the only asshole making it a bad thing is you. permalink fedilink source parent