222
Bondi (Australia) shooting death toll rises to 16, including a child, after gunmen targeted Jewish festival (www.bbc.com)
submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [M] to c/world@lemmy.world
85 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now...

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn't a guarantee he is Muslim, but it's a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's really not, he's Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy's religion because of his is literally just racism.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11]

    According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    The majority of Lebanese people

    Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation.

    Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian.

    I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right.

    (Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.)

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah I’m admittedly feeling petty today which is why I chirped in on this thread after our prior exchange. They’re right about the diaspora, which I did not refute, but the way they structured their sentence, particularly in using the word especially, came across as stating that both the nation and their diaspora are majority Christian. The fact that the Pew study from 8 years following the initial figure of 54% pegs the Christians at an even lower share would support the idea that the diaspora is disproportionately Christian. Still doesn’t change the fact that the hero of the day is a Muslim, as stated by multiple news outlets and the PM of Israel.

    But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m just a barely literate propaganda bot ;)

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into.

    This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those).

    Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims.

    This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names

    I'm literally Arab lol

    In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm literally Arab lol

    Cool, me too

    For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people

    I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough?

    Ali, Umar, or Yusuf

    These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country.

    This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent