▲ 222 ▼ Bondi (Australia) shooting death toll rises to 16, including a child, after gunmen targeted Jewish festival (www.bbc.com) submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by jordanlund@lemmy.world [M] to c/world@lemmy.world 85 comments fedilink hide all child comments Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now...
[+] TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 points 8 months ago You seem like a very pleasant individual. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. Are you implying that media outlets don't lie in their headlines? Are you perhaps implying that claims don't require evidence for you to believe them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 point 8 months ago* Jesus. I'm not implying anything, everything I've said is explicit. Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding because you're looking for hidden meaning where none was intended? The claim was made by the top level commenter, NOT_RICK. The evidence supporting this claim is the news report (and various others in the thread). That is the end of it. If you want to make a new claim, e.g. that this source is lying, then go ahead and do so. With evidence. What you're doing is called sealioning and there is no end to it. You wouldn't accept the evidence unless the man himself came to your house and told you he was Muslim to your face. And then only if people were watching. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 child) Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 child) They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) 'We saw the actions of a brave man... a brave Muslim, and I salute him for stopping one of the terrorists from killing innocent Jews,' the Prime Minister stated, as reported by the Times of Israel. Kindly get off your high horse. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The source of this guy being muslim in the article is literally Benjamin Netanyahu... Regardless, all I wanted was for you to provide an article that at least had a source for the claim. I don't trust anything Netanyahu says out of principle, but still this is an article that does provide something to support the claim. It's not a pure clickbait headline that's misleading. So there we go, that puts whatever this was to rest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) After sleeping this off I think I was being too much of a dick needlessly. I can respect and agree with your desire to make sure facts are well vetted before potentially pushing a false narrative. Cheers mate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent [–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago I was being too much of an ass as well. We're all good bro permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It's nice to see you doing this, but you really weren't the problem in this thread. That account was not posting in good faith. You were immediately accused of spreading misinformation, then when you politely provided evidence, they doubled down both on the sealioning and the name calling. The votes tell the story here and you did well and you did good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent