β² 439 βΌ Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again' (www.lbc.co.uk) submitted 8 months ago by Foni@lemmy.zip to c/europe@feddit.org 169 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/38211357
[β] floofloof@lemmy.ca 178 points 8 months ago (2 children) What a coincidence that the MAGA USA's policy towards Europe is almost indistinguishable from Russia's! permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago The American policy has been exactly this long before Trump. The literal main and pretty much only obstacle to a European army and a European Federation has been the USA, constantly using their leverage and economic/military power to block any such plans from progressing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] plyth@feddit.org -15 points 8 months ago (3 children) Why would US billionaires hand over control of their country to Russia? They can't be that incompetent and elections are not free enough that it could happen against their will. It's not coincidence, but I doubt the Russian influence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 child) Because a) he's a Russian asset (apparently) and b) they have incriminating evidence on him and probably a bunch of other billionaires. Also, if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they'd be willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] plyth@feddit.org -9 points 8 months ago (2 children) a) heβs a Russian asset (apparently Apparently. It must be part of Flooding the Zone. Everybody has an explanation that is useless because it hides the real motives. Why would the elite accept a known Russian asset? It's a rumor since the 80ies. incriminating evidence Against all billionaires? As in the KGB could have won if they would have had it 10 years earlier? The US billionaires own the media. What could happen if something comes out? if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, theyβd be willing to pay for it. True, but how could they outspend US billionaires? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago (1 child) You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia's side more often than not. There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It's the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago Billionaires dont care as long as number go up. permalink fedilink source parent [β] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child) They canβt be that incompetent Have you seen these billionaires? They absolutely can. The myth of their competence is pure propaganda. Also, they like corruption because it offers many opportunities for those with enough money to pay. And they like oppression of workers because it provides a ready pool of cheap labour to exploit. They'll be looking at Russia and liking what they see, because they don't see themselves being the ones working for pennies and being sent to die in Ukraine. And they all think they're the smartest guy in the world ("why else would I have so much money?") so they don't see themselves being fucked over by Putin either. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Have you seen these billionaires Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Theyβll be looking at Russia and liking what they see Even if they do, why hand over the country? They control the US. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. What can't be done in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago The American policy has been exactly this long before Trump. The literal main and pretty much only obstacle to a European army and a European Federation has been the USA, constantly using their leverage and economic/military power to block any such plans from progressing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] plyth@feddit.org -15 points 8 months ago (3 children) Why would US billionaires hand over control of their country to Russia? They can't be that incompetent and elections are not free enough that it could happen against their will. It's not coincidence, but I doubt the Russian influence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 child) Because a) he's a Russian asset (apparently) and b) they have incriminating evidence on him and probably a bunch of other billionaires. Also, if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they'd be willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] plyth@feddit.org -9 points 8 months ago (2 children) a) heβs a Russian asset (apparently Apparently. It must be part of Flooding the Zone. Everybody has an explanation that is useless because it hides the real motives. Why would the elite accept a known Russian asset? It's a rumor since the 80ies. incriminating evidence Against all billionaires? As in the KGB could have won if they would have had it 10 years earlier? The US billionaires own the media. What could happen if something comes out? if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, theyβd be willing to pay for it. True, but how could they outspend US billionaires? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago (1 child) You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia's side more often than not. There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It's the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago Billionaires dont care as long as number go up. permalink fedilink source parent [β] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child) They canβt be that incompetent Have you seen these billionaires? They absolutely can. The myth of their competence is pure propaganda. Also, they like corruption because it offers many opportunities for those with enough money to pay. And they like oppression of workers because it provides a ready pool of cheap labour to exploit. They'll be looking at Russia and liking what they see, because they don't see themselves being the ones working for pennies and being sent to die in Ukraine. And they all think they're the smartest guy in the world ("why else would I have so much money?") so they don't see themselves being fucked over by Putin either. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Have you seen these billionaires Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Theyβll be looking at Russia and liking what they see Even if they do, why hand over the country? They control the US. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. What can't be done in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 child) Because a) he's a Russian asset (apparently) and b) they have incriminating evidence on him and probably a bunch of other billionaires. Also, if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they'd be willing to pay for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] plyth@feddit.org -9 points 8 months ago (2 children) a) heβs a Russian asset (apparently Apparently. It must be part of Flooding the Zone. Everybody has an explanation that is useless because it hides the real motives. Why would the elite accept a known Russian asset? It's a rumor since the 80ies. incriminating evidence Against all billionaires? As in the KGB could have won if they would have had it 10 years earlier? The US billionaires own the media. What could happen if something comes out? if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, theyβd be willing to pay for it. True, but how could they outspend US billionaires? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago (1 child) You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia's side more often than not. There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It's the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] plyth@feddit.org -9 points 8 months ago (2 children) a) heβs a Russian asset (apparently Apparently. It must be part of Flooding the Zone. Everybody has an explanation that is useless because it hides the real motives. Why would the elite accept a known Russian asset? It's a rumor since the 80ies. incriminating evidence Against all billionaires? As in the KGB could have won if they would have had it 10 years earlier? The US billionaires own the media. What could happen if something comes out? if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, theyβd be willing to pay for it. True, but how could they outspend US billionaires? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago (1 child) You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia's side more often than not. There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It's the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] yakko@feddit.uk 19 points 8 months ago (1 child) You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia's side more often than not. There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It's the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. That's the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don't know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn't come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon. Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] molestme247@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) By which reason? Do I say anything positive about Russia? What's your reason to believe that Trump is a Russian asset? I can't explain how the US billionaires could accept Trump. Please explain to me how that can be possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] molestme247@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago Billionaires dont care as long as number go up. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child) They canβt be that incompetent Have you seen these billionaires? They absolutely can. The myth of their competence is pure propaganda. Also, they like corruption because it offers many opportunities for those with enough money to pay. And they like oppression of workers because it provides a ready pool of cheap labour to exploit. They'll be looking at Russia and liking what they see, because they don't see themselves being the ones working for pennies and being sent to die in Ukraine. And they all think they're the smartest guy in the world ("why else would I have so much money?") so they don't see themselves being fucked over by Putin either. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Have you seen these billionaires Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Theyβll be looking at Russia and liking what they see Even if they do, why hand over the country? They control the US. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. What can't be done in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Have you seen these billionaires Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Theyβll be looking at Russia and liking what they see Even if they do, why hand over the country? They control the US. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want. What can't be done in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) Only videos, but they don't seem to be stupid. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn't change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn't mean they can't also be complete idiots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 8 months ago Some are, but without hard evidence I don't believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia. Other things are happening and Trump's Russia connections are a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent