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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) found the tankie you pissed off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fascists were running pogroms in the streets of Budapest, Kruschev was a revisionist bastard but the only mistake he made there was not sending more tanks But considering that you can call someone "tankie" with a straight face and act like it's a serious point I take it you don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about because the last time you read a book was in high school permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 9 months ago* (2 children) Tankies when you dont defend "red" fašism: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 child) Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened "non authoritarian" approach to dealing with fascists. I'd love to hear it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) found the tankie you pissed off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fascists were running pogroms in the streets of Budapest, Kruschev was a revisionist bastard but the only mistake he made there was not sending more tanks But considering that you can call someone "tankie" with a straight face and act like it's a serious point I take it you don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about because the last time you read a book was in high school permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 9 months ago* (2 children) Tankies when you dont defend "red" fašism: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 child) Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened "non authoritarian" approach to dealing with fascists. I'd love to hear it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fascists were running pogroms in the streets of Budapest, Kruschev was a revisionist bastard but the only mistake he made there was not sending more tanks But considering that you can call someone "tankie" with a straight face and act like it's a serious point I take it you don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about because the last time you read a book was in high school permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 9 months ago* (2 children) Tankies when you dont defend "red" fašism: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 child) Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened "non authoritarian" approach to dealing with fascists. I'd love to hear it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 9 months ago* (2 children) Tankies when you dont defend "red" fašism: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 child) Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened "non authoritarian" approach to dealing with fascists. I'd love to hear it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 child) Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened "non authoritarian" approach to dealing with fascists. I'd love to hear it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 9 months ago* (2 children) I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children) Answer the question mother fucker. There's fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (3 children) fascists you keep using this word and you don't seem to know what it means. Do you sincerely believe there was no meaningful difference between actual fascists and the USSR defederated anarchist style antifa milišas what fucking anarchist militias? Are you going to pull a military force directly out of the same ass you pulled the rest of your right wing propaganda? In what way would that be any better or more effective than the Soviet Ground Forces? because it's more "ideologically pure" or "anti authoritarian"? Are you going to spend months arming and training an irregular militia while fascists are already armed and burning synagogues just to own the evil internet tankies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Hey, um, just out of interest... Where do I get some of those soviet ground forces? Who do I talk to about that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You absolutely disregard any ideas other than your own, and parse them as hostile because you do not immediately understand their value. It reads as profoundly disrespectful and what psychologists call 'splitting'. I'm very glad you're not making any decisions that matter, and wish I could offer you a hug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shut up, nerd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago Shit. Got me. Okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) does putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, collaborating with nazis, oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system and staving 3.5 million to 10 million people not sound like fascism to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) putting people who say anything you don’t like in concentration camps, citations needed, also they have those in whatever country you're posting from right now collaborating with nazis citations absolutely fucking needed, also they do that in whatever country you're posting from right now oppressing the proletariat via forcing them into poverty via a monitary system honestly wtf are you even talking about. this is also something they're doing in whatever country you're posting from right now staving 3.5 million to 10 million people are we seriously doing double genocide theory shit? you are literally repeating talking points cooked up by Joseph Goebbels right now. you're more full of fascist propaganda than most people on the street. In your absolutely pants on head brainless, thoughtless quest to own le ebil internet tankies, you've sided with and are repeating actual fascist propaganda to do it. find the nearest mirror and take one good goddamn look at it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children) the mental gymnastics is crazy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago Dunked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* Cite literally anything. Provide literally any evidence for a claim. Hell, make a concrete claim. All you've done is say "tankie tankie tankie fascist fascist fascist" and you're pretending like you've made a coherent argument. These are the debate tactics of an eight year old permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children) collaborating with nazis Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) actually address the substance of the claims reaction gifs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) "debate me, bro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago* (3 children) so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 child) seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels. Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago (4 children) ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan? And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago Of course, the point I'm trying to get at is their whole ideology is racist, unserious, and deeply soaked with propaganda. I felt like I did a good enough job sending that home permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago "Do your kids know you beat your wife?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda. NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries Oh sorry i called you an idiot and a moron and a dumbfuck it's clear you're just literally a child permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime "tankies" in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent