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[–] 11 points 9 months ago* (15 children)

collaborating with nazis

Telling me "I've heard of molotov ribbentrop and it lives rent free in my brain without absolutely any understanding of the context in which it was agreed on" without using those words

NATO anarchist liberals don't care that the USSR spent like a decade trying to drum up a military alliance with Western powers to contain Germany, refused by all. NATO anarchists don't care about similar agreements agreed upon between Germany and those same powers, prior to Molotov Ribbentrop. "ahhhh the evil soviets COLLABORATED" they literally begged the west to do something and were refused lmao so they signed a non aggression pact and partitioned Poland (which NATO anarchist liberals ignore is basically a flat plain that has, historically, been used as an avenue to attempt to invade Russia like a dozen times). how evil. They then went on to spend tens of millions of lives beating fascism so you're not speaking German and sieg heiling today, loser

read a fucking book that isn't harry potter or the conquest of bread

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    so in ur mind, critiquing the USSR = Defending the west?, “w…well nyooo you cant critique the USSR, seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler, you westerner, you criticise the USSR cus u a nato spy” completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    seee no one else wanted to play with stalin, so it was totally fine that he was buddy buddy with hitler,

    Stalin was not buddy buddy with Hitler. He was one of, if not his fiercest opponent. If you have information contrary to this, make a concrete claim and cite it

    completely ignoring the fact that I hate all states and that I have also criticised western countries

    You were literally parroting straight up nazi propaganda in this very thread earlier today. You are not "criticizing" the west by repeating fascist propaganda to slander your comically skewed view of socialist countries as worse than anything else, you're just carrying water for Joseph Goebbels.

    Again. Drop the pop history truisms and make a concrete claim about what you actually believe. You're not even "debating" anyone here without doing that, you're throwing a child's tantrum

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    ah yes, cus acknowledging any fault of the USSR (in this case Holodomor) makes you a nazi, very logical thinking

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Literally yes. The idea that the Holodomor was a famine directly caused by the USSR is a talking point literally cooked up in the propaganda departments of Nazi Germany and here you are repeating those same lies 80 odd years later

    Make your case: How was the Holodomor a famine caused by Stalin's mustache twirling machinations and not a famine that struck all parts of the USSR, including Russia and Kazakhstan?

    And while you're at it, make your case for Stalin being buddy buddy with Hitler. I'd love to see your knee jerk pop history McCarthyite response that you cooked up in 2 seconds

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like someone who decides to argue their point by saying that the two big bad guys from their 9th grade world history class were "buddy buddy" isn't really looking to make a serious case for anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    People tell you you're parroting nazi propaganda and you refuse to engage, good job you fucking moron, if you actually thought about it you might realize what a fucking idiot you are

    "The holodomor" was literally the product of nazis trying to equivocate with the holocaust, you are doing literal nazi propaganda when you push that bullshit. Even western liberals have been forced to agree that there was no intentional attempt to starve ukraine, you dumb piece of shit

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    You're not critiquing the west when you call the USSR nazi collaborators and all you can point to is a non aggression pact signed AFTER all attempts to make agreements with the other allies to contain Germany failed

    This is when I ask if you're a fucking moron but like for fucking real, are you a fucking moron? Are you doing the reddit Shitlib tactic of baiting anger so you can cry "Mods! MODS!"? It really seems like one of the two

    One country goes door to door begging for help fighting the Nazis, is refused on every count, and you just shrug your fucking shoulders and go "OH THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAME. ACTUALLY, THE USSR IS WORSE, THEY'RE COLLABORATORS!"? Like i don't know what else to say other than that that's absolutely brainless, moron shit. Unless you're ACTIVELY being a Nazi, you have to be really fucking dumb to look at this and come to the conclusion that you have. Your conclusion, btw, is literally Nazi propaganda.

    NATO anarchists also don't seem to understand the position the USSR was in. The 1930s aren't that far from 1) WWI, which absolutely wrecked Russia's shit, and 2) the civil war and war with the Whites (which were supported by... oh, look at that, every western power! There's your fucking fascist collaboration, nerd) and both were absolutely devastating both to the Soviet population as well as industry. Like, I can't stress how much of a moron you are for looking at Molotov Ribbentropp in the context of every other great powers' refusal to contain the Nazis and 1) see that as "collaboration" and 2) fail to realize how absolutely fucking necessary it was for the USSR to win the war. You realize they only BARELY won, right? Even with all the time it bought them to reindustrialize? Like holy fucking shit, if you had a brain in your head you'd realize the USSR signing the molotov ribbentrop agreement is probably THE reason you're even here arguing that they're fascists in the first place instead of sieg heiling your fuhrer in German, you ignorant fuck.

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