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Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors (www.mediaite.com)
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[–] 188 points 9 months ago (45 children)

Hey Hillary, do you know what I’d like to hear from you?

Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. You fucking lost to the fascist the first time around and paved the way for his ascent to power. You are a HUGE fucking factor in how we got to where we are now.

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    She is a fascist herself who led the unilateral intervention on Libya that lead to the unnecessary deaths of 50k people in a civil war that didn't need to happen, architected the pivot to Asia which will lead to WW3, and "promoted" LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I've said it all through out her run in 2016.

    Shes not a democrat.

    Shes not a liberal.

    Shes just a Republican in a blue coat.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    But it was her turn! Damnit, she was going to run regardless of how unpopular she was.

    It's like the end of Happy Gilmore when Shooter McGavin grabs the jacket because it was his turn, he felt it was owed to him.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Probably wouldnt have trump today if it wasnt for the DNC sabotaging all the popular candidates to shove hilary down our throats.

    No one wanted hilary.

    and remember, Trump didnt even want to win. He just wanted to use running as a springboard for more attention. He was, by all accounts, upset with his intitial win because of how he felt he'd be restricted by the white house.. granted all thats long since been gone since he learned how to manipulate the office to his favor (especially with charging the SS 4x more than anyone else for his weekly trips to maralago..) in his first time, and how hes fucking destroyed the country with his second with how he has undermined everything to go full narcoleptic cartman.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think there were people who wanted Hillary, in the sense that they were perfectly fine with settling for her. But, there weren't many people who were passionate supporters, and there were a lot of people who hated her. And, the way her campaign was run reflected that. It was basically "Hillary: what are you gonna do, vote for the other guy?"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    And thats exactly what they did.. because she cared more about catering to billionaires, holding secret meetings behind massive white noise generating speakers so no one could hear what was being said, than she cared about campaigning.. Which is why she lost every state she couldnt even be bothered to make a single appearance in.

    People want to blame trump for everything, but Hilary being a shit, arrogant candidate that walked around like gods gift to freedom was absolutely a big part in trump winning.

    Because she couldnt even pretend to give a fuck.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    “promoted” LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.

    Hey I don't like HRC but this take is pants on head unhinged. Shes not doing anti-LGBT 4D chess, she was just narcissistic/delusional to think she'd be anywhere charismatic enough to convince people internationally to treat LGBT people better.

    Do people in the global south & developing world have agency? Or are they simpletons being manipulated by grand puppet masters? If the answer is they have agency, the bigots that live in those places should own their bigotry and you shouldn't do apologia for them. If the answer is they are simpletons well... ok.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    You lack understanding of what I said then went way off the rails with your ridiculous finger wagging. We said the exact same fucking thing. I didn't say she did it on purpose, I'm saying the way she did it got them thrown under the bus.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'll say she did it on purpose. There is no such thing as an unintended negative consequence of democrats' actions. Not one. If they wanted to get the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't have supported genocide. They'll need a lot of action to fix that. Not words. Democrats have demonstrated how worthless their words are.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    If she could give a half decent blowjob the world would be a much nicer place

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Stop blaming women for aging

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (28 children)

    Sure. You realize how bad trump is, way worse than even Hillary. But it's Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It's the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.
    It's so funny how far people go to try to absolve themselves of responsibility.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    Americans in very specific swing states in manipulated elections voted for Trump. Hilary actually won that election by several million votes. The USA is not a democracy and blaming voters is really a pathetic and wrong understanding of politics.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Ah yes, when it's Russia then every Russian should suffer for not overthrowing Putin. But when it's the US, Hillary actually won and “it wasn't me” anyway, and blaming voters is pathetic.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    But it’s Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It’s the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.

    Blaming voters for not voting the right way is in fact pathetic, because their elections are fake. They couldn't have voted differently because their votes don't matter. I blame Americans but not for the reasons they were suggesting. I absolutely think that people in the US shouldn't bother to vote and should instead destroy their fake democracy and settler colony. The USA is worse than Russia in every way. It is in fact the US who over threw the Russian government and installed Putin, it is amazing how they think it is the other way around

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    So she should have shifter further right to try to capture the votes in those specific swing states?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Even if she moved right of Trump she would have lost, median voter theory is horseshit.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    So she couldn't have won no matter what. You're saying she wasn't a bad candidate, I guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I am saying she could have won if she moved left and promised to improve the material conditions the people she was asking to vote for her.

    Moving right does not earn democrats republican votes, it only decreases their own turnout.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    How would that have made her win? Her policy, and the history of the Democratic Party in contrast to the republicans is that she would be better for the people. Better is better. It doesn't matter how much really. If people wanted better, they would already vote for her.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Her messaging was "America is already great", her policies were means-tested bullshit that anyone who's gone their entire life not getting help understood wouldn't apply to them. Hillary was the status quo candidate.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    So you figure trump is better?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I am describing how electoral politics work. You have to promise to help the people whose votes you want and hurt their enemies. You can't run on "well you owe me your vote because tHiS iS tHe mOsT iMpOrTaNt eLeCtiOn oF oUr liVeS"

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No. Ideally you should win a vote by presenting a good platform and showing the candidate to be a good leader - specifically by not dividing people and talking about enemies within the country. Talk about perspectives and differences in platforms and leadership track records. Being 'the most important' election is a good reason to tell people to really pay attention to the options and actually get out and vote. If Americans are too stupid to understand that, they deserve the orange moron they got and the long term damage it is doing to the country.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    There are enemies within the country; every worker's interests are diametrically opposed to those of Jeff Bezos. A leader who pretends we're all on the same side is siding with capital. Billionaires like Bloomberg understand that, hence why he spent hundreds of millions trying to stop the candidate who wanted workers to have healthcare.

    "The election is important election ever, for real, thats why you have to vote for a rightwing ghoul instead of a candidate who can actually win" has been going on since Nixon.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    She was such a bad candidate that she personally couldn't win no matter how far to the right she went. She might have stood a better chance if she treated the left flank of the party like she actually needed their votes.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Why should she have to play games 'motivating' people who could see she was significantly better than trump? People didn't bother to vote against trump - so they got trump. They have no one to blame but themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Why should she have to play games ‘motivating’ people who could see she was significantly better than trump?

    Because that's called politics. When you actually care more about winning than about making sure progressives lose, you try to get people to vote for you instead of regarding them with open contempt.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It seems like you are projecting this 'open contempt'. In an ideal democracy, a politician should state their platform and people should select the best one and vote.
    She was clearly a better candidate with better policy than trump - and if people saw that they should have voted for her. Saying 'she didn't pander to me enough', or 'wasn't perfectly aligned with my ideals' is stupid in the face of trump as the other option.
    Yes, she could have said a bunch of pings - she could have lied and attempted to get votes through a populist approach, and maybe that's what the democrats need to do, as sad as it is. But that's only because too many Americans are stupid and won't vote for the obviously better candidate for ... reasons.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    It seems like you are projecting this ‘open contempt’.

    You're gaslighting. No "it seems".

    But that’s only because too many Americans are stupid and won’t vote for the obviously better candidate for … reasons.

    Politicians who are interested in beating their opponents try to appeal to the electorate they have, not the electorate you prefer. And I want to make it clear, the electorate centrists prefer is comprised entirely of netanyahu clones.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    So you think trump is better on Israel/gaza policy?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    No. It's why I voted for your shitty pro-genocide candidate instead of your very close second choice.

    Why do centrists always pull that shit out like it means anything? Genocide is still wrong even when a democrat is supporting it. Even when it's your single favorite thing ever, which you've convinced me it is.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you think I support genocide? And I'm much more of a leftist than a centrist. Democrats def not 'my party'. But of the two options that have a chance, clearly the democrats were/are a way better choice than the repubs. Not choosing the better of two options is just stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why would you think I support genocide?

    Because your kneejerk reaction to my criticism of democrats' support for genocide was to call me a trumper.

    And now you're trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened. Because it's evidently a bridge too far for someone to say that genocide is bad without you letting them know how wrong you think opposing genocide is.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's nothing to do with it. It's not about opposing Israel's actions being wrong. It's that both parties support Isreal blindly. And the gop, specifically trump, are significantly worse. So when voting, it makes no logical sense for that issue to factor against choosing democrats vs republicans.
    Yes, this is in the past, but there are (hopefully) more elections in the future. It's very important that people get out and vote for the only viable alternative to the horrors that are the gop these days. People who didn't vote for democrats last cycle need to wake the fuck up, recognize that they are responsible for the current disaster, feel the guilt for what they did, and change.
    It seems that you agree on that, since you voted dem last time, but you still are throwing shots about how democrats shouldn't be elected. And that's pragmatically dangerous.

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