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Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors (www.mediaite.com)
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[–] 2 points 9 months ago (10 children)

She was such a bad candidate that she personally couldn't win no matter how far to the right she went. She might have stood a better chance if she treated the left flank of the party like she actually needed their votes.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Why should she have to play games 'motivating' people who could see she was significantly better than trump? People didn't bother to vote against trump - so they got trump. They have no one to blame but themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Why should she have to play games ‘motivating’ people who could see she was significantly better than trump?

    Because that's called politics. When you actually care more about winning than about making sure progressives lose, you try to get people to vote for you instead of regarding them with open contempt.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It seems like you are projecting this 'open contempt'. In an ideal democracy, a politician should state their platform and people should select the best one and vote.
    She was clearly a better candidate with better policy than trump - and if people saw that they should have voted for her. Saying 'she didn't pander to me enough', or 'wasn't perfectly aligned with my ideals' is stupid in the face of trump as the other option.
    Yes, she could have said a bunch of pings - she could have lied and attempted to get votes through a populist approach, and maybe that's what the democrats need to do, as sad as it is. But that's only because too many Americans are stupid and won't vote for the obviously better candidate for ... reasons.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    It seems like you are projecting this ‘open contempt’.

    You're gaslighting. No "it seems".

    But that’s only because too many Americans are stupid and won’t vote for the obviously better candidate for … reasons.

    Politicians who are interested in beating their opponents try to appeal to the electorate they have, not the electorate you prefer. And I want to make it clear, the electorate centrists prefer is comprised entirely of netanyahu clones.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    So you think trump is better on Israel/gaza policy?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    No. It's why I voted for your shitty pro-genocide candidate instead of your very close second choice.

    Why do centrists always pull that shit out like it means anything? Genocide is still wrong even when a democrat is supporting it. Even when it's your single favorite thing ever, which you've convinced me it is.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you think I support genocide? And I'm much more of a leftist than a centrist. Democrats def not 'my party'. But of the two options that have a chance, clearly the democrats were/are a way better choice than the repubs. Not choosing the better of two options is just stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why would you think I support genocide?

    Because your kneejerk reaction to my criticism of democrats' support for genocide was to call me a trumper.

    And now you're trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened. Because it's evidently a bridge too far for someone to say that genocide is bad without you letting them know how wrong you think opposing genocide is.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's nothing to do with it. It's not about opposing Israel's actions being wrong. It's that both parties support Isreal blindly. And the gop, specifically trump, are significantly worse. So when voting, it makes no logical sense for that issue to factor against choosing democrats vs republicans.
    Yes, this is in the past, but there are (hopefully) more elections in the future. It's very important that people get out and vote for the only viable alternative to the horrors that are the gop these days. People who didn't vote for democrats last cycle need to wake the fuck up, recognize that they are responsible for the current disaster, feel the guilt for what they did, and change.
    It seems that you agree on that, since you voted dem last time, but you still are throwing shots about how democrats shouldn't be elected. And that's pragmatically dangerous.

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