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ChatGPT is down worldwide, conversations disappeared for users (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] 241 points 9 months ago (50 children)

And nothing of value was lost.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Well it's going to put a damper on my Ansible "coding".

    You think I want to properly learn that piece of junk? It was obsolete and archaic before it was released, and it survives on naivete and churn cost and nothing else. There is no part of my time doing yaml for Ansible that I want to actually retain or build on, and without chatGPT to slop-in the changes I need to make, I may be forced to do it myself. And I lack the crayons now and alcohol for after.

    Actually subjecting my brain to Ansible directly in real-time is a horror. It is just so fucking lame compared to everything else -- it even pales compared to the DevOps we were doing in 2002 before it was even called that. Let my have my robots to slop the Ansible and save my sanity !

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, yaml is fair game for a LLM. Whitespace sensitive language should die in a fire, markup or otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you say that?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Because whitespace sensitivity makes it very easy to make a whole bunch of annoying mistakes when shuffling code around, or copying it from one source to another (from text in one application to the editor in your ide for example). I find it supremely unpleasant to work with. Looking kinda a little bit slightly messed up should not be a critical syntax error that breaks the whole code.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I agree. I think ansible is great in principle, but the documentation is severely lacking. Like it'll tell you to set a value, but not whether it's supposed to be in yaml, environment, or something else. And if it's in yaml, it doesn't tell you the required context to make it valid. But when someone has taken all the documentation, all the tutorials, the articles, the example code, working code, and stack overflow answers and put them all into a blender, often a useful answer comes out.

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  • [+] -52 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    It works wonderfully well as a search engine, when I have to find obscure specialized info. Can always criss check once I have a idea.

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Regular search engines did that 20 years ago, without blowing out the power grid.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No they didn't and they still don't really do that.

    There are too many things (nowadays?) where you have to literally write a question on reddit, stack overflow or Lemmy or the likes and explain your situation in minute detail, because what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason.

    Believe me, when I say that, because I always try search engines first, second and third, before even thinking of using some bs-spitting AI, but it really helped me with two very special problems in the last month.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason

    Usually because the highest-rated solution is half-assed bullshit proposed by an overconfident newbie (or an LLM regurgitating it). I mainly use Stack Overflow as a way to become pissed off enough that I'll go solve the problem myself, like I should have done in the first place. Indignation As A Service.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    This is a bad faith argument. Search engines are notoriously bad to find rare specialized information and usually return empty search results for too specific requests. Moreover you need the exact keywords while LLMs use embeddings to find similar meanings

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah then people.learned how to game it and its shit now. Pointing how something worked 20 years ago does shit all for how it works now

    Speak of the devil. Just a few stories down

    https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/835839/google-discover-ai-headlines-clickbait-nonsense

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    And LLM’s aren’t gamed? Like Grok constantly being tweaked to not say anything inconvenient about Musk? Or ChatGPT citing absurd Reddit posts deliberately made by users to make AI responses wrong?

    AI is built from the ground up to do what they want, and they’re no better than those crappy info-scraper sites like wearethewindoezproz dot com that scrape basic info off every other site and offer it as a solution to your problem with [SOLVED] in the result title. “Did you turn it off and on again?”

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Its not a search engine, its a data digester. Dont use it as a search engine. Despite what alphabet, micro-shit, and DDG think, AI chatbots do not now, nor will they ever make good search engines.

    This is a prime example of why access to these tools should be restricted to computer scientists and research labs. The average person doesn't know how to use them effectively (resulting in enormous power wasted by 'prompt engineering'), and the standard available models aren't good at digesting non-linguistic data.

    I'm not gonna downvote you, or be like all "AI is the devil and its gonna kill us all" but people need to use it correctly or we ARE going to kill ourselves with its waste heat.

    Edit: ficksed an werd

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    This is primarily because search engines have become so unreliable and enshittified that they are useless. It’s not a mark in favor of AI as much as a reminder of how bad search engines have become.

    For the record I do the same thing after failing to find anything on DuckDuckGo after multiple attempts. Maybe I should give Kagi a try, but AI is making the entire internet worse, so I feel pessimistic about that, too.

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