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[–] 34 points 10 months ago (26 children)

For the people who want to see the video. PS: DON'T. There's a good reason outlets are only posting pictures. https://veganism.social/users/vega/statuses/115624229593254481

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (23 children)

    and took the bodies afterward for organ harvesting

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    answersplease77@lemmy.world wrote:

    and took the bodies afterward for organ harvesting

    False. Instead they used an excacator to collapse part of the warehouse building (the rather large liftable door) on the victims' bodies, likely hoping to hide their deeds for a while. They were unaware that a journalist was filming them with a telephoto lens.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    You are false. Watch the full video at 2:05 they brought a stretcher to take the bodies afterward:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=B7t-IGOokbU

    and there have hundrends of bodies returned with missing organs. It's their standard protocol to take the bodies they execute same as this video too:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1oy9f94/israeli_soldiers_were_filmed_assaulting_a/

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Stop bluffing, unless you know what it takes to get an organ successfully transplanted to someone. And I see you don't.

    A really simple rule: if one would intend to get transplantable organs, one would not drop construction material on the person. One would transport the person to a hospital without any delay. Doctors would be the persons telling of which violations are happening.

    As things are, both Israel and some other countries (Russia) have the habit of returning the bodies of some prisoners who died under suspicious circumstances without some organs. For example, an Ukrainian journalist's body was returned without her brain and throat. No, she's not living in another body, brain transplants are fantasy. She was likely strangled to death and organs removed to conceal torture.

    I am currently under the impression that this practise serves the purpose of concealing torture (or other crimes) in several places, with one exception - China.

    China has been credibly accused of actually harvesting organs from prisoners executed in prisons. This is feasible for them, since a prisoner after execution can be tested before they are killed, and is immediately available for dissection and cooling of organs, which can then be rushed to an airport for sending to the correct hospital. I have good reason to suspect it's happening. Needless to say, it's an extremely serious crime.

    However, I have not heard of any successful (no matter whether voluntary or forced) organ donation from a person who experienced circulatory death in field conditions and was transported slowly from a considerable distance. Jenin is in the West Bank. Do you think doctors in the West Bank would accommodate a request from the IDF to remove, test and cool organs for from a shooting victim for transplantation? I don't think even Israeli doctors would.

    If you think differently, I would like to see evidence.

    As the thread tells us, IDF committed two war crimes: shooting prisoners and desecrating their bodies. There is no need to spread silly rumours on top of that. Reality is bad enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    First, there are hundreds of pieces of evidence and doctor testimonies proving that the IOF have been organ harvesting their hostages.

    Secondly regarding this case, I hope you're right and I hope the IOF are incapable of doing further crimes to these bodies. It's also a sad relief that the they just executed them instead of torturing them to death as the IOF have been doing to whoever they capture.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Hundreds aren't needed, a reference to maybe 3 highest credibility reports that you have, would be good to look at.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    https://lemmy.world/comment/20435119

    all this list of articles + look up the testomonies of doctors who worked in Gaza's docotrs without borders foundations on youtube. + Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah 's photos & testimony that he gave when he came back. Those are all UK, US, Australian doctors btw.. not Khhaamahuus. I know your lame butt is too cynical and too lazy to google this yourself. You see the list I gave you in that comment? at lesst 20 sources right there. It's not my issue if you are not convinced, and I will not do your homework.
    You go do your research or choose to stuff your stinking propagonda you desprately try to spread despite the truth and hundrends of resources and testominies there up your brain and live with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    You go do your research or choose to stuff your stinking propagonda you desprately try to spread despite the truth and hundrends of resources and testominies there up your brain and live with it.

    Sure, get agitated and start name-calling me, that will help convince me and others.

    Thanks for providing the link, however. I reviewed all the links you posted in that thread. Your claim does not have firm evidence.

    Source 3 (trtworld): they suspect the possibility, but don't have firm evidence.

    The Palestinian Prisoners’ Media Office also cited possible organ theft from some of the retrieved bodies. "Preliminary data indicates the possibility of human organs being stolen from some bodies, in a crime that transcends humanity and reveals a systematic criminal practice by the occupation against Palestinians both alive and dead," the office said in a statement.

    Source 5 (Middle East Eye) includes more information about who made the claim. The damage reported to the bodies is not consistent with removing an organ for transplantation.

    "When we examined the bodies, we found that large parts were missing. There were half bodies, bodies without heads, without limbs, without eyes, and without internal organs," he told Al Jazeera, adding that there was a high possibility that Israel stole these organs.

    Source 8 (Al Jazeera) describes damage more vividly. It is not consistent with organ removal for transplantation.

    Many appeared decomposed or burned. Some were missing limbs or teeth, while others were coated in sand and dust. Health officials have said Israeli restrictions on allowing DNA testing equipment into Gaza have often forced morgues to rely on physical features and clothing for identification.

    Now I will say what I think of it. I think your claim is untrue. The condition of the bodies proves torture and executions, but does not prove organ theft.

    I additionally note: stolen organs don't disappear, they are received by someone in a narrow timeframe (which can be matched up later), and there has to be a story told to the recipient. Transplantation has to be done by a team of people. If a crime is being committed, it's pretty hard to make sure every team member stays silent. Later on, the transplanted organ continues to bear the genes of the person whom it belonged to. If doubt arises about the origin of the organ, genetic testing can confirm or deny a specific person, or give an ethnic profile of the donor, which can be narrowed down to find the family of the donor and ask them about their fate.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Oh prof. perrstorkia knows more than the doctors and photos and prisoner testimonies and photos of returned bodies are all lying. Read you smartbutt propagondist: JUST READ :

    "The first observation is that, in all the bodies that organs were harvested or removed are those that are now routinely transplanted: the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys and corneas," Abu Sittah, who spent more than a month working in Gaza's hospitals during the war, said.

    The method of extraction - the rib cage and ribs were clipped with a sharp saw - a medical saw, a bone saw - and the sternum, along with the central part of the ribs, was lifted to allow for the removal of the heart and lungs without damage to the organs being taken," he said, noting that the skin of all the victims appeared to be burnt by liquid nitrogen - a chemical used to preserve tissue.

    "The essential point is there was no damage to the remaining organs, meaning the extraction was carried out surgically by an experienced surgeon."

    Chillingly, Abu Sittah cited multiple testimonies from witnesses who said that the victims were alive at the time of extraction.

    https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-returns-palestinian-bodies-organs-expertly-cut-out

    Here is the problem Prof. surgeon perestokia , it's either you from your chair 5000 miles away who is right, or tell me theses surgeons and doctors and returned bodies and prisoners all lying. How many braincells do I need to choose between the two and expose who is the propagondist here?

    And here is my last piece, you ready? Will you still believe it if an anatomist doctor from the IOF themselves tesitified about them organ harvesting palestinian hostages on video on the Israeli channel itself ???

    https://www.newsweek.com/gigi-hadid-accusing-israel-organ-harvesting-1847006

    https://yalibnan.com/2024/01/19/time-for-act-action-over-allegations-of-theft-of-human-organs-byisrael/

    AND HERE IT IS ON VIDEO . Their doctors literally stating their policy of organ harvesting palestinian prisoners:

    https://americasbestpics.com/video/source-israel-channel-2-tv-we-do-not-touch-soldiers-Erwvax91B

    and since you only believe israelis, here is an Israeli lawyer verifying the testimonies of palestinains getting raped and tortured in prisons:.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/WDZaawPhjKA

    you still want evidence and think any crime is too far fetched from these nazi animals?

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Things are bad enough without such baseless claims.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago*

    Maybe @answerplease77@lemmy.world was referring to:

    In 2009, an interview with Dr. Yehuda Hiss—former head of the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute—was leaked. Recorded in 2000 by Nancy Scheper-Hughes—professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley—Hiss said that pathologists at the institute took skin, corneas, bones and heart valves from the bodies of Israeli citizens, Israeli soldiers, Palestinians and immigrants, often without consent from the deceased's family.

    Which came from:

    Israel Organ Harvesting Allegations Explained

    The links below may be referring to the same article:

    What evidence supports allegations of Israeli harvesting and who has investigated them? Checked on November 25, 2025

    A brief history of Israel’s theft and trafficking of Palestinian organs

    I must apologize as I haven’t read the rest of the results, but I used search.disroot.org and the articles above are outdated.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    I'm aware of the claims. The claim the commenter made was that they took the bodies of the two in the story for this purpose, which is baseless.

    There's a big difference from "there are occurrences of a thing happening" vs. "the thing is happening right now, right here, to these people."

    If you think every odd body is getting hauled off for organ harvesting, you're being a little nuts. It was stated to invoke an emotional response, making a bad an evil situation seem more bad and more evil without any evidence. Just internet hatemongering shock value that doesn't do any good and just distracts from the issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Watch the full video I linked up. They dragged the bodies afterward. Nothing far fetched by what they intend to do with them as they've done thousands times before.

    https://lemmy.world/comment/20435119

    https://lemmy.world/comment/20750350

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Plenty of reasons to hate Israel, but my toast that burnt this morning can't be blamed on them. Has Israel burnt toast? Most likely. Does israel have systematic policies in place, or an unspoken culture, regarding burnt toast? Maybe; it should probably be investigated. Did they burn my toast this morning? I have no basis to suspect that, but I could go around yelling about it and people might even agree because there are lots of proven things to hate Israel for already and it's the internet...

    But yes, it certainly is maxed; which makes this behavior even weirder to me.

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children)

    It's called an analogy but good try

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Perhaps, if you suck at abstract thought... but I meant it to be a bit broader than that.

    Stop. Making. Shit. Up.

    Substantiate claims. Speak truth. It's fine if you want to draw attention to issues, but connecting them to random shit with no reason and stating it as a fact is fucking pathetic.

    They didn't kill them to take organs. They killed them because they saw the Epstein files. See how fucking stupid that sounds? Man... (Not a 1:1)

    Two human being getting fucking murdered for no reason by a genocidal ethnostate is bad enough without you needing to throw shit at a wall. It just makes people who care about this look like fucking idiots making up shit to be mad at when there's plenty of real things to be mad at

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If people don't watch it then the IDF wins. The videos and photos documenting atrocities are being suppressed with the excuse that they are "too graphic" for the general public to see.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Graphic isn't even the right term to describe it. It's just... Nonchalant. It's very much like that recent Oscar winning movie about Nazi Germany, where people are just living their lives while horrors are happening in the background. There's way more graphic footage of this genocide, but this one just struck me in a weird way.

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