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AI is not popular, and AI users are unpleasant asshats (pivot-to-ai.com)
submitted 11 months ago by [M] to c/techtakes@awful.systems
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science shows as true what you thought was only 99% true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVf7VUX_iUk&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251015-ai-is-not-popular-and-ai-users-are-unpleasant-asshats - podcast

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[–] 40 points 11 months ago* (12 children)

The only thing that drives me to AI is the extreme uselessness of modern search engines. This is not an endorsement of hallucination engines as much as it is a condemnation of late stage enshittification of search engines and the internet in general. I miss the days when I could google something and actually find what I was looking for.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    ... the search engines became crap because of ai

    Plus, ai just lies. It's not a replacement

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Shitty search has been a problem longer than ai

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If your definition of ai is only LLMs, sure. But it's been algorithmic tweaking and SEO wars for a while now.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Well yeah, llm garbage is the problem being discussed. Do you consider SEO to be ai? I don't see why you would.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    No, but the algorithms that search engines use to combat it is.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    … the search engines became crap because of ai

    I mean, search has always been built on some kind of LLM. That's how you convert a query into a list of page-results.

    We've just started trying to wrap the outputs into a natural language response pattern in order to make them feel more definitive and more engaging. The "AI" part of search is mostly window-dressing.

    Plus, ai just lies.

    It has inaccurate heuristics and often tries to back-fill what it can't find with an approximation in order to maintain user engagement.

    Idk if I'd even call it lying, so much as bullshitting.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I mean, search has always been built on some kind of LLM. That’s how you convert a query into a list of page-results.

    no it fucking hasn’t. the stemming and page ranking algorithms used in traditional search have absolutely nothing to do with LLMs.

    shit, neither stemming nor PageRank as originally defined even have a machine learning component. here’s postgres’ full text search suite, which literally converts a textual query into a list of results (sans page ranking, which is out of scope for a database) in a manner suitable for a production search engine, utterly without any machine learning or other stochastic crap.

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