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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml to c/communism101@lemmygrad.ml

My friend read the manifesto and is interested in reading more about communism. I feel like Capital would be a bit heavy for him so i thought i'd ask here about what you think he should read. Also since his English isn't that good i'd appreciate it if your recommendations had Persian translations as well. Thanks in advance!

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[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  • Consider using AI/LLM such as deepseek to translate into farsi
  • outside what's already mentioned here: articles on redsails.org , maybe start with https://redsails.org/why-marxism/
[-] TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

First off, LMMs aren't really good for translations. especially for text in this area and more especially for Persian as most tools don't consider it most of times. Secondly, the language is called Persian, not Farsi. Please don't call it that. But thanks for responding nonetheless!

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Secondly, the language is called Persian, not Farsi.

Could you kindly explain why?

[-] TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Sure! If you want a general answer you can look up endonyms and exonyms on wikipedia but if you want specifics for Persian i'll write something short here. The correct form of the word is Persian because it is the one which English-speakers are and were more familiar with due to its long history. It basicly goes a couple thousand years back and correctly signifies the history of the language within the English-speaking mind As language of the people who lived in Iran (which was called Persia until the last century). Etc. However, with the mass immigration of Iranians to other countries and their unawareness of how endonyms and exonyms work, they started claiming their language is called Farsi, the word which is used to refer to the language in Persian, instead of Persian, which was word English-speakers used. Which incorrectly cuts the Persian language from its history and makes it appear as a newly built language since there are no mentions of it before the current century. This was intensified by the Iranian diaspora in Los Angeles or US in general, which doubled down on their stupidity to build a new identity since thay no longer had connection with their own. Keep in mind that this is in no way a complete explanation. There's a lot more to this. Enough to write a book. But this is the overall gist of things. Hope it helps!

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thanks for responding.

It's partly because of endonyms vs exonyms I asked. I was curious about why one may uphold the English exonym over the native endonym? Does the term Farsi not capture the longer history?

(Diaspora can sometimes have problematic politics; often attempted assimilation can mean upholding western supremacist paradigms and if they were beneficiaries of more western aligned governments that were overthrown then they can be that much more vile)

[-] TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Seeing as the word "Farsi" unlike Persian didn't exist in the English language until a few decades ago, no it doesn't capture the few thousand year history. And you're completely correct about the diaspora since LA is basically the headquarters for pahlavi supporters and the birthplace of his brand of "nationalism".

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes pahlavi supporters have some of the most disgusting western boot licking opinions! They are the persian (I was going to use the word Iranian but given what we are discussing I will stick with this here) gusanos.

However, the word Persian is not thousands of years old either? Why bother with whatever English sensibilities in language naming conventions? Aren't there are other persian languages/cultures that are not farsi? I seem to be missing something here.

[-] Darkcommie@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Any western boot licker is a gusano

[-] TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Yes there are a lot of languages and people. If you're wondering the correct term for the people is Iranian since not all of us are Persian. However, Persian is important to Iran because it's the national language that connects people of different ethnicities and languages. Besides, it's the most developed one and can be used as the language of science. Something most Iranian languages aren't capable of yet.

[-] TotallynotinIran@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well, if i remember correctly English got the word from Greek which is equally ancient. A reason (not the main one) i coud give is the claim of Iran being a newly built nation which is "occupying" the land. For example, the name Persian gulf is the best defence against the gulf countries trying to still its resource since the very word "Persian gulf" has more history than all of the countries mentioned.

[-] Darkcommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Persian is more correct to use although we use Farsi but just say Persian and Yeah the Persian diaspora is fucked so are the people of Iran as they tend to have reactionary politics and beliefs speaking from personal experience

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