▲ 1229 ▼ Google's shocking developer decree struggles to justify the urgent threat to F-Droid (www.neowin.net) submitted 11 months ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 298 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 11 months ago (21 children) we need linux phones ASAP permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) We had a few good Linux phones back in the day but Nokia / Microsoft killed them trying to compete with iPhone OS and Android: Maemo / Meego were great but did not get a proper chance. Jolla continued the legacy and Sailfish OS is still something worth checking out if you can find suitable hardware, or idk how complex it is to port it. Seems to be new Jolla phone coming up at some point too: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/23882 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago The Jolla was probably my favorite phone, but it broke so easily. I really hope they make something more sturdy this time around. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johnny101@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think Linux phones will gain some real traction within five years. Last I heard, KDE is putting great effort into making apps for Plasma Mobile permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago I'll believe it when I see it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) They exist. People just don't buy them. But there is a Ubuntu phone port you can install on your phone as an alternative to android. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/10762/status-update-on-the-next-noble-based-ubuntu-touch-release-february-2025 But yeah it can get complicated like any Linux community project and isn't at all mainstream. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago People don't buy them because they don't fucking work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FE80@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) Does anyone know if existing linux phones can run 2FA apps such as Duo or Google authenticator? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (5 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Proton has it too. Which (from searching) looks like it’s compatible for the Ubuntu systems. But that’s just from the search. I ‘m personally just using it with a android right now. I am currently eyeing up the fairphone Ubuntu as my next phone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Systems at work use google authenticator for 2FA. Prior jobs have used Duo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago Google Authenticator is merely a generic TOTP token storage app. The person you're replying to was pointing out that Google Authenticator, specifically, isn't necessary. There are alternatives, and unless you're using a company-owned device that restricts the apps you can use there is no way for work to dictate which app you use for TOTP tokens. Duo, Okta Verify, and other 2FA apps that use push notifications and such, are a different beast altogether. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago they are interchangeable. you can export from google to use in proton. I’ve set all my google logins to proton too. I’ve not experienced this ‘locked in’ situation if you’re using your own phone to run the app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 point 11 months ago My work has me using 3 different 2FA apps depending on what service I'm accessing. It's great! Especially with the noticable battery consumption increase after setting up 2 more 2FA apps than I had before permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blindsite@lemmy.today -2 points 11 months ago Same reason collectivist people like social media censorship and gun control, to make them feel "safe" even though all it does is centralize power. Besides hi ow many people have the tech skills to even know what third party app repositories are? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Or better apps like Aegis? What is it with you people trying your best to get away from google but still using the most exchangeable app they have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Lots of jobs require BYOD today (like, most F500 companies) and they limit to non-rooted OSs. I use Aegis for personal apps but I cannot escape microsoft as long as I want to keep paying my mortgage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Aegis has nothing to do with rooted OSs. If you mean Push-2FA, than that's another story entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent [–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 11 months ago They can run Keeppass, which does TOTP. It doesn't do push notifs, like Duo does, though. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sibachian@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world -17 points 11 months ago (1 child) You cannot sideload on Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago Right, because side-loading is called "installing" on Linux permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) We had a few good Linux phones back in the day but Nokia / Microsoft killed them trying to compete with iPhone OS and Android: Maemo / Meego were great but did not get a proper chance. Jolla continued the legacy and Sailfish OS is still something worth checking out if you can find suitable hardware, or idk how complex it is to port it. Seems to be new Jolla phone coming up at some point too: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/23882 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago The Jolla was probably my favorite phone, but it broke so easily. I really hope they make something more sturdy this time around. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago The Jolla was probably my favorite phone, but it broke so easily. I really hope they make something more sturdy this time around. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johnny101@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think Linux phones will gain some real traction within five years. Last I heard, KDE is putting great effort into making apps for Plasma Mobile permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago I'll believe it when I see it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago I'll believe it when I see it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) They exist. People just don't buy them. But there is a Ubuntu phone port you can install on your phone as an alternative to android. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/10762/status-update-on-the-next-noble-based-ubuntu-touch-release-february-2025 But yeah it can get complicated like any Linux community project and isn't at all mainstream. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago People don't buy them because they don't fucking work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago People don't buy them because they don't fucking work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FE80@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) Does anyone know if existing linux phones can run 2FA apps such as Duo or Google authenticator? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (5 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Proton has it too. Which (from searching) looks like it’s compatible for the Ubuntu systems. But that’s just from the search. I ‘m personally just using it with a android right now. I am currently eyeing up the fairphone Ubuntu as my next phone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Systems at work use google authenticator for 2FA. Prior jobs have used Duo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago Google Authenticator is merely a generic TOTP token storage app. The person you're replying to was pointing out that Google Authenticator, specifically, isn't necessary. There are alternatives, and unless you're using a company-owned device that restricts the apps you can use there is no way for work to dictate which app you use for TOTP tokens. Duo, Okta Verify, and other 2FA apps that use push notifications and such, are a different beast altogether. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago they are interchangeable. you can export from google to use in proton. I’ve set all my google logins to proton too. I’ve not experienced this ‘locked in’ situation if you’re using your own phone to run the app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 point 11 months ago My work has me using 3 different 2FA apps depending on what service I'm accessing. It's great! Especially with the noticable battery consumption increase after setting up 2 more 2FA apps than I had before permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blindsite@lemmy.today -2 points 11 months ago Same reason collectivist people like social media censorship and gun control, to make them feel "safe" even though all it does is centralize power. Besides hi ow many people have the tech skills to even know what third party app repositories are? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Or better apps like Aegis? What is it with you people trying your best to get away from google but still using the most exchangeable app they have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Lots of jobs require BYOD today (like, most F500 companies) and they limit to non-rooted OSs. I use Aegis for personal apps but I cannot escape microsoft as long as I want to keep paying my mortgage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Aegis has nothing to do with rooted OSs. If you mean Push-2FA, than that's another story entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent [–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 11 months ago They can run Keeppass, which does TOTP. It doesn't do push notifs, like Duo does, though. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sibachian@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (5 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Proton has it too. Which (from searching) looks like it’s compatible for the Ubuntu systems. But that’s just from the search. I ‘m personally just using it with a android right now. I am currently eyeing up the fairphone Ubuntu as my next phone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FE80@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Systems at work use google authenticator for 2FA. Prior jobs have used Duo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago Google Authenticator is merely a generic TOTP token storage app. The person you're replying to was pointing out that Google Authenticator, specifically, isn't necessary. There are alternatives, and unless you're using a company-owned device that restricts the apps you can use there is no way for work to dictate which app you use for TOTP tokens. Duo, Okta Verify, and other 2FA apps that use push notifications and such, are a different beast altogether. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago they are interchangeable. you can export from google to use in proton. I’ve set all my google logins to proton too. I’ve not experienced this ‘locked in’ situation if you’re using your own phone to run the app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 point 11 months ago My work has me using 3 different 2FA apps depending on what service I'm accessing. It's great! Especially with the noticable battery consumption increase after setting up 2 more 2FA apps than I had before permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blindsite@lemmy.today -2 points 11 months ago Same reason collectivist people like social media censorship and gun control, to make them feel "safe" even though all it does is centralize power. Besides hi ow many people have the tech skills to even know what third party app repositories are? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FE80@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) Why do you need the google Authenticator? Systems at work use google authenticator for 2FA. Prior jobs have used Duo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago Google Authenticator is merely a generic TOTP token storage app. The person you're replying to was pointing out that Google Authenticator, specifically, isn't necessary. There are alternatives, and unless you're using a company-owned device that restricts the apps you can use there is no way for work to dictate which app you use for TOTP tokens. Duo, Okta Verify, and other 2FA apps that use push notifications and such, are a different beast altogether. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago they are interchangeable. you can export from google to use in proton. I’ve set all my google logins to proton too. I’ve not experienced this ‘locked in’ situation if you’re using your own phone to run the app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 point 11 months ago My work has me using 3 different 2FA apps depending on what service I'm accessing. It's great! Especially with the noticable battery consumption increase after setting up 2 more 2FA apps than I had before permalink fedilink source parent
[–] punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago Google Authenticator is merely a generic TOTP token storage app. The person you're replying to was pointing out that Google Authenticator, specifically, isn't necessary. There are alternatives, and unless you're using a company-owned device that restricts the apps you can use there is no way for work to dictate which app you use for TOTP tokens. Duo, Okta Verify, and other 2FA apps that use push notifications and such, are a different beast altogether. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago they are interchangeable. you can export from google to use in proton. I’ve set all my google logins to proton too. I’ve not experienced this ‘locked in’ situation if you’re using your own phone to run the app. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 point 11 months ago My work has me using 3 different 2FA apps depending on what service I'm accessing. It's great! Especially with the noticable battery consumption increase after setting up 2 more 2FA apps than I had before permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today -2 points 11 months ago Same reason collectivist people like social media censorship and gun control, to make them feel "safe" even though all it does is centralize power. Besides hi ow many people have the tech skills to even know what third party app repositories are? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Or better apps like Aegis? What is it with you people trying your best to get away from google but still using the most exchangeable app they have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Lots of jobs require BYOD today (like, most F500 companies) and they limit to non-rooted OSs. I use Aegis for personal apps but I cannot escape microsoft as long as I want to keep paying my mortgage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Aegis has nothing to do with rooted OSs. If you mean Push-2FA, than that's another story entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Lots of jobs require BYOD today (like, most F500 companies) and they limit to non-rooted OSs. I use Aegis for personal apps but I cannot escape microsoft as long as I want to keep paying my mortgage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Aegis has nothing to do with rooted OSs. If you mean Push-2FA, than that's another story entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Aegis has nothing to do with rooted OSs. If you mean Push-2FA, than that's another story entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 point 11 months ago I'm talking about MS Authenticator permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 11 months ago They can run Keeppass, which does TOTP. It doesn't do push notifs, like Duo does, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world -17 points 11 months ago (1 child) You cannot sideload on Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago Right, because side-loading is called "installing" on Linux permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 months ago Right, because side-loading is called "installing" on Linux permalink fedilink source parent