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https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/energy-statistics-data-browser?country=WORLD&fuel=Energy+supply&indicator=TESbySource

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

OK, I'll wait til the 2024 and 2025 data are out and see the radical change - but the past 30 years pretty much support my "outdated" view. I don't accept that you putting no petrol in your car means petrol consumption is lower - someone else can (and almost certainly will) still use it somewhere somehow in some vehicle or other. Unless you're still buying it and burying in the ground somewhere no one can find it.

In short - top line goes up faster than the renewables wedge grows ---> global warming increases. In fact the fossil fuel wedges also grow as much or more than renewables. Maybe this will become more than a blip - maybe. But realistically I look at the graph above and 2008, 2020 are the things that stand out as a lesson.

People need fewer datacentres not more, wherever they're located. I think people just need to take a long hard look at themselves and see whether they can survive by jerking off to 360p or 720p porn - it is just about exactly as hollow and unfulfilling as jerking off to 4K AI generated porn.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

it is just about exactly as hollow and unfulfilling as jerking off to 4K AI generated porn.

gasp I can't believe you said that in front of my 4k ai girlfriend!

top line goes up faster than the renewables wedge grows —> global warming

Yeah but there's two parts here, one is that it's not us or the data centres:

In contrast, India recorded the highest absolute increase in emissions, adding 164.8 Mt CO2eq compared to 2023, a 3.9% rise. Indonesia saw the most significant relative increase at 5%, followed by Russia (+2.4%) and China (+0.8%). The US and Brazil had relatively stable emissions with minor increases.

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-hit-a-record-high-in-2024/197979/

India adding 164 million tons of co2 more than it did the year before, that's a shitload of data centres

The EU and US and Australia/NZ/UK all have emissions trending down, we're playing our part, this place beats itself up a lot when if the rest of the world was like us we'd be well on our way down

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[–] bryndos@fedia.io 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

I think they're just catching up to what countries like the UK did over the past 200 years. So a few hundred thousand more Indian people can afford cars or international holidays these days - that seems fair enough. what's the indian GHG emisiions per capita? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita sorry still old data, but 2023 they were not much over half the UK , so what is the fair share of ghg emissions for a person in India? Any why should it be lower than , say, UK - who has a centuries old legacy of fucking the climate. The UK has a hell of a lot more reducing ghg per person to do before it can be any sort of role model -b and thats after nerfing it's own heavy industry and not counting GHG embodied in imports.

Back before the twats here (UK) had let the banks offshore domestic manufacturing, you might have had a point, but greenhouse gas intensity of the economy here in UK was a lot higher when we actually did shit like transforming iron ore into useful products.

With widespread international supply chains for so much stuff, I'm not convinced by nationalistic parochialism. At least not without doing a lot of fairly complex import/export and supply / use analysis across industries and from primary through to tertiary to figure out who is really providing for whom.

The simplistic way i see it; It's a world full of humans (or as i like to say, cunts), they do stuff, they trade their products. some people directly do carbon intensive processes, others buy stuff off them. At the end of the day, if everyone was 'postindustrial', it'd be a very interesting and different 'economy' and i think very different lifestyles, and a very different capacity to support the human population. I'd like to think the bubble'd last about as well as the Hindenburg blimp.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

I disagree with measuring in per capita, I argued further here: https://aussie.zone/post/25024450/19010578

Any why should it be lower than , say, UK - who has a centuries old legacy of fucking the climate

Because the tech wasn't available at the time and now with renewables being the cheapest form of electricity it's straight up insulting that you'd pick coal, gas I can understand due to its ability to quickly fill in for solar/wind gaps but coal... :|

If you're going to argue that India should be free to copy the west and build coal power plants like we did 50 years ago before solar/batteries/wind etc took off then what are we even doing here? lets just give up because if India lives like the west did 60 years ago it's over

some people directly do carbon intensive processes, others buy stuff off them

This part I agree with, it comes up a lot lately with AI data centres, people from the west devastated that they have to host the stuff that they use 😭 but also whenever mining is involved people get really upset, especially people in the EU

I've argued the EU and US in part run a false green economy, the lithium and critical minerals in your phones and computers has to come from somewhere and mining has an awful environmental impact locally. Saying your green but ignoring that you get China do it isn't a win at all imo, it's a joke.

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[–] bryndos@fedia.io 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

Per capita is not relevant to climate change, but it is relevant to understand the situation lifestyles motivation and economic development of people. I think there has to be a concept of a fair share.

'Keep them foreigners poor because we fucked up the planet' is not going to convince many people - outside of those who drink the greenwash koolaid and don't see that we continue to emit way more than our fair share. Granted the UK is in about the worst position here, because of history that meant countries like India effectively were forced to pay the UK to fuck it up so its a double fuck-you if i were to say that.

India just won't stay poor anyway and no one is going to stop western and middle eastern oil companies wanting more cars in 'emerging markets' .

I'm not saying they should replicate UK as it was in 1980. But if we're so clean now, having achieved what i call ' far too little, far too late' why can't developing countries catch up their lifestyles to ours today - the answer is we're not clean and they shouldn't - but they probably will and I can't blame them for it.

China must laugh at shitholes like the UK, can't build Nukes (hinkley point C is what 10-12 years and counting behind schedule?) , can't build high speed rail, can't invest in decent public transportation, doesn't build hydro because of fucking poets and fucking daffodils and yokels fucking sheep, and tries at every turn to follow US's stupendously inefficient and self indulgent 'sprawl' model or housing instead of densifying population efficiently.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago

You're right that the UK isn't in tip top shape, I would have loved to have visited the UK 20 years ago and I sit here today amazed that Nigel Farage, the guy who lead England up shit creek without a paddle ON PURPOSE is leading the polls... that's pretty dire.

But you do have something you can be proud of, your emissions have dropped tremendously:

While India

and China

Have blown the UK away, if more countries were like the UK we'd be talking about how the war on climate change was won with flying colours.

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[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

I wouldn't use datacenters if I could get a static ip address, or even just ipv6, but those are more expensive than just renting a vm in a far away place

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[–] bryndos@fedia.io 1 point 10 months ago

yeah i'd not walk to the shops if i had a car, so convenient and easy. oh hang on, nah, that's total bollocks, driving a car is such fucking torture compared to walking, fuck that shite. /not s