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C'mon man, really?
Yeah, really.
I'm more concerned about the abuses of the government and billionaires in my own country. Why should I get my panties in a twist about a country on the other side of the planet in a language I don't speak? That's on their citizens to worry about. Me as a yankee and you as canuck worrying about the other side of the pacific is wasted effort at best, and buying into the military industrial complex at worst.
But our side has rules, you assume they play by the rules. You should worry about countries that don't follow international rules.
China academia has the same problem that US academia has: publish or perish.
And seriously, you can't say something like that and ignore all the BS the US government has been pulling internationally for decades. Trump murdered 14 random people on boats that weren't even in US territory, and seemingly no one on the international stage gives a shit
Oh theres a shit ton of BS. but you are trying to deflect to the US. no one has ever given a shit, look at Israel. What does that have to do with the context of the dicussion?
You brought it up, you specifically said "our side has rules". It's not a deflection to point out that "our side" violates those rules whenever it suits them.
rules isnt the right term I guess, ethics maybe, scientific principles, not pushing things before they are ready? Worried about the kids ya know. Things China might have a different view of.
Stop me if this is too large a leap, but I think maybe people in china value the well-being of their children. You know. Like everyone does, everywhere.
Also, iPad babies are a phenomenon here. Pushing things before they're ready or we have a complete understanding of the consequences is a global phenomenon.
The people value this but does the government?
Where are you getting the idea that the government in China doesn't care about their children?
Uh yea, I am, ya know maybe dissidents prisoners or Uyghurs peoples.
I'm not here to downplay those problems in China. They are serious. But, that's not the government saying they don't care about children, it's saying that they have their own racist and bigoted political problems.
And, if you've paid any attention, the US is doing really similar things and has been for a long time. We made some progress with the Civil rights movement, but we still have Black people arrested at 2x the rate of white, 37% of the prison pop is Black while they only represent 13% of the general pop. The education system has all but erased the cultural roots of Black Americans, and God forbid a Black teen uses slang to communicate. Most of the sectioning off of voting areas in the US is to minimize their and other minority's voting power. For now it's still legal to say "Hey this influencer really made life bad for me, and I'm okay with him being dead", but it may not remain legal for long. EPA regulations are being dissolved, but the biggest problems will affect traditionally/forced Black neighborhoods.
Not all children are equal in the US and the same holds true for China, But the difference is staggering.
I mean, they prosecuted the guy. You tell me.
China prosecuted someone for something? No shit really?
https://lemmy.zip/post/48934693/21546329
...you think the US has scientific ethics? What the fuck have you been watching for the last 60 years?
I just think they are better than China, maybe I'm wrong.
Hey man, you're the one that brought up rules. But while we're talking about international rules, gene editing of embryos and their descendants is legal in the US if it's privately funded. And it's not illegal internationally to do so
Also, I'd be less worried about CRISPR specifically for this use, because it's not always accurate, is limited in what it can actually do, and there are better gene editing tools now