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CHARLIE KIRK JUST GOT SHOT IN UTAH!!!!
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There will be a right wing backlash to this but whatever backlash occurs will be far smaller than the harm he would've caused in the many decades of his life he would've had.
This has given rise to a thought. The anti-adventurism reasoning I often hear is "think of the many decades of your life you could be contributing to the revolution that you're throwing away". But what everyone misses in that argument is that it should also be weighed against the forces of fascism that are taken off the board as well. Would this shooter have contributed to the left in the next 40 years what the late Charlie would've contributed to the right in the next 40 years? I can't answer that because I do not know who this shooter was, but I can say Charlie would've done a lot.
Bit of a "great man" reading of history though. Some other propagandist chud will step up to take his place. The void will be filled. Charlie Kirk only was as famous as he was because he was satisfying an existing demand.
As competent though? As skilled?
Nigel Farage in the UK has been forged through 40+ years of functioning as a crypto-fascist. Replacing the skillset that makes some of these fascists effective is not as simple as just bringing on the next guy in line.
Materialists do not disbelieve that great men exist, but that the conditions of the time created them and that without their existence other people would have been forged under the same circumstances. But what I am getting at here is that this is not an instantaneous process. You think if Bannon dies tomorrow someone else will just replace him? I do not. The man has been forged through decades and decades filling a niche that someone else will have to fill AND acquire the same experience before meeting the same standard he has.
Look at the competent ghouls like Kissinger vs the incompetent ghouls that currently exist. Do any of them hold a candle to him as a competent monster? No. Not really.
The death of ghouls creates holes that take many decades to fill effectively again.
I just want to confirm you're describing Charlie Kirk as "competent" and "skilled"
Be real. Turning Point has done some truly evil work.
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How many times was the heads of ISIS and Al Qaeda killed? 10? 20? They still took over Syria and are spreading throughout Africa. It’s not easy to replace experience, but there are a lot of other experienced people in the wings.
Kirk wasn’t all that competent or smart anyway. Seemed entirely mid and unremarkable to me.
Not comparable. For a myriad of reasons these people are willing to die for it.
But are the competent ones willing to die for it?
Bush wasn't killed, neither was obama
I don't want people to die. My ideal solution would be disallowing someone to be able to do what Charlie Kirk and his fatal-misinformation-propagating-ilk do in the first place. I see something like this happening as just yet another consequence of our deeply sick society.
But Charlie Kirk undeniably caused many deaths by spreading the kinds of toxic misinformation he did. And it certainly does hurt me deep in my core to watch people like him degrade and damage society without repercussions. Every day I mourn for the humanity that could be, if the Charlie Kirks of the world were not permitted to drag us all down. So hearing that he got blasted... some part of me does feel some degree of... not happiness or satisfaction, but more like... relief. Relief that someone that hurts us all, that makes countless lives measurably worse and ends other lives, was met with proportionate retaliation.
You lost me here every time a fascist dies my mind becomes more unburdened. If this happened every day itd be the best therapy.
I still think he's a bit too unimportant and incompetent, but he's also pretty young, so maybe it's like chopping down a sapling before it becomes a tree.
This is a silly argument because the damage this will do to anyone left of Reagan will be without exaggeration orders of magnitude greater than the functional end of the life of the shooter. This will be a Reichstag fire.
lol no it won't
Want to bet? Wasn’t this said each time Trump got shot at, and Elias Rodriguez, and Mohammed Soliman, and…
Trump was only actually shot at once. The other two times the would-be shooters were apprehended before they had a chance to shoot.
Besides the fact that all of those shootings (that were shootings) clearly did make things worse and are now rallying cries for contemporary fascist efforts, you're missing something important: None of these shootings killed or even seriously wounded someone the establishment cares about. Trump got a scratch and the other shooters killed nobodies. Kirk was someone who personally had Trump's ear and literally wasn't folded into the administration formally mainly because he was (imo correctly) estimated to be more valuable to them where he was in ""independent media,"" where he was the golden boy of the conservative think tank circuit, backed by many billionaires and companies, and now he's been killed on a college campus in broad daylight in view of multiple cameras while on tour doing his "political speaking" (reactionary sophistry), specifically while concern-trolling about shooting done by minorities.
The only major reason to think this might not produce a catastrophe, and a major factor in the Trump shooting not being bigger, is that there's a good chance that the shooter is a white Republican (in this case a boomer, even). That might be enough to diffuse their efforts. But we saw how the (actually detrans) "trans shooter" from before produced a push for ridiculous measures against civil liberties. If the shooter isn't who the early reports indicated (or even if they are but are a Dem, queer, or something else), this is going to have serious repercussions.
I really doubt it