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Megathread: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah Valley University Event (time.com)
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[–] 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Extremely unlikely he survived, that shot severed a carotid artery.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Oh my holy god, fuck, yeah, just watched the vid, jesus fucking christ, there is essentially zero chance he survives that.... oh god.... welp thats enough PTSD trigger s for me today time for ... right I quit cigarrettes... got a vape now... oh...

    ...ok, might be calling it a day for me using the internet today.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Eh, you'd be surprised what people can survive. Check out the goalie that got his throat slit on the ice. Buuuut here's for hope'n.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That was a clean slice to the throat and the guy was conscious for several moments afterwards. Kirk took a gunshot wound into/through the neck, pretty much all the blood in his head fell out within seconds, and he immediately lost consciousness.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    George Orwel got shot through the throat ina similar fashion during the Spanish Civil war and survived. So Kirk could theoretically survive this

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The "fencing response" was a surprise. Doesn't that indicate severe neural damage? Spinal cord hit perhaps?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    'Fencing response' is conducive with brain damage. Sudden blood pressure drop to the brain can cause that response. Practically speaking he died instantly, a neck shot like that might as well have been a head shot.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I mean, I despise Kirk as a person...

    ... but I've seen a face transform the way his did, before.

    Oh fuck, (fuck you im having a PTSD attack at the moment) yeah, those ... that total limpness of the body, the slack jaw, the wide open, glazed eyes...

    That is bare minimum, at the least, a massive drop in blood flow and pressure to the brain.

    Brains don't do so good without blood flow for very long.

    Also could easily have severed the spinal cord, shattered vertebrae around the neck.

    Possibly also now he's down a lung.

    I dunno, Stamets said it was a fairly flat trajectory, looked to be a fairly like, straight ahead, from straight in front of him shot....

    I will literally start shaking and crying (and probably screaming and hyperventilating) if I watch more videos / that video again right now, so yeah, 'preliminary analysis'.

    ...

    Sure, sure its maybe technically possible he lives through this, assuming he got bandaged with pressure basically immediately and then also got to an OR within like 15 minutes.

    Otherwise... either dead or basically a mostly brain dead / paralyzed vegetable, would be my guess.

    I am also not a doctor, and am currently having a panic attack, so, grain of salt and all that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It’s wild how you transmitted the feeling of having a panic attack in your text

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hah, yeah... more or less just stream of consciousness what i... was actually saying/thinking.

    Like... yeah, really more saying aloud than thinking internally, I had a visceral enough reaction to that that it was all actually spoken.

    As for the formatting / syntax... once upon a time I spent way too much time in various kinds of 'serious' chat based RP... and I sort of invented and internalized my own somewhat unique way of conveying rapidity vs pauses, emphasis and what not.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That guy survived because the medical trainer was a Vietnam vet who shoved his fingers in there to pinch it shut. I don’t see that happening here

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Scott, from Kentucky Ballistics rather famously had a .50 cal explode in his face, a chunk of the gun perforated his neck and went down into his lung, and honestly. He survived and is, outwardly at least, doing pretty well. Stick a thumb in it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah but he has the benefit of being a decent human, so people don't actively want him dead

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I don't know him personally, so I can't vouch for the guy.

    I think a bigger factor is that what happened to Scott was an freak accident, no one was trying to avoid an active shooter when it happened, so he was able to get aid from his father (the guy behind the camera) immediately.

    So yeah, you're probably right.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you’re physically up for it, doing a bunch of jumping jacks hits the perfect combination of using up adrenaline and making my lungs hurt to replace emotional smoking. It’s not well received in public though.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If he got emergency medical assistance within seconds of this happening there's a small chance. For better and worse doctors got crazy good at keeping gunshot wounds in the field alive long enough to get surgery during the second Iraq war.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Narrator: But he did not, in fact, receive such timely attention and expired.

    Ah well, anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, a thing that probably happened to a dozen Palestinian kids off camera happened to a wealthy white dude on camera. Oh well, it's cruel world and I wish it wasn't, but not like people like Kirk ever listen to people like me.

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