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[–] 93 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Sometimes, I feel regret that Romney didn't beat Obama. Not because Romney would have been a better president. Just because of the timing, if Romney had won, then maybe Trump would never have become president, or at least he'd have been president later. Romney's still a Republican, so it would have sucked, but Trump is fucking poison.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's an interesting thought... I can't help but feel like it would have just delayed an inevitable outcome though, potentially allowing the underlying political movement even more time to grow and fester. It's unknowable, but I feel like we'll be pondering questions like that for a long time.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It seems like logically, we should feel lucky to have such an incompetent campy comic book villain con man as the face of their ridiculous movement. But it doesn't feel like that at the time.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Now imagine how different our country would be if Gore won...

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  • With all the nonsense about "fiscal conservatives", people forget that the last administration to balance the budget was Clinton/Gore - and not only was the budget balanced, it actually had a fucking surplus. One of the big debate points going into the 2000 election cycle was what to do with this surplus. Naturally enough the surplus went towards tax cuts for the rich and now we're fucking $35 trillion dollars in debt.

    Someone will weigh in here with "deficits don't matter" and "the government can just print money if it needs it".

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  • I’ve always said this was the start of our descend into the hellscape that we’re currently stewing in. Having Gore's president, would have gotten strong internet/telecoms and environmental guardrails/legislation passed. At a time when we really needed to start addressing those things. Amongst many other things..

    5 SCOTUS fucktards are responsible for where we are today. that’s my take at least.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Because much of what's happening right now is a direct, racist reaction to the US having the gall to elect a black man president.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Its also a reaction to the Hope and Change candidate bailing out the banks who just stole millions of homes, bombed a dozen countries, sending the natl guard to shut down protests in furgison, both-sides a cop arresting a man in his own yard, deporting more people than W or Trump, giving us means-tested subsidies for health insurance.

    Obama disillusioned a generation with politics, hence why so many people stayed home in 2016. Biden did the same shit, and Newsom will do it again if given a chance.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Don't forget the part when Obama created a joint federal/local/corporate-bank task force to illegally surveil the Occupy Wall Street protests, and the brutally crush them. Or decided not to prosecute the authors of the torture program in the Bush administration.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He inherited that quagmire of illegal wars, it's not something you can just withdraw from at the drop of a hat. It was either drones or boots on the ground, not exactly a stellar choice to be left with, and he chose to minimize American lives lost. Most certainly not defending any of America's vile military engagements but the picture is a little bit more nuanced than that.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I guess people think our memories are really that bad that we'd believe shit like this... OK bud.

    Dude literally said "both sides" lol

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm guessing Obama was before your politcal awakening. Is there anything specificly I said you don't believe and want more information on?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Everything is Democrats' fault, and anyone who disagrees is a child

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We don't blame the Democrats for the crime, we blame the Democrats for positioning themselves as the only ones who can stop the crime, and then just not doing it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The whiplash when a dem wins president ad all the libs flip to "actually this this we all agreed was bad when was doing it isn't that bad and its really important we keep <funding ICE camps/bombing country/backing Israel/giving money to corporations/funding police attention the expense of literally everything>"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They lost to Donald fucking Trump, twice. Do you think Trump is a uniquely gifted politician? You have to have exceptional distain for your constituents if you can't get them to come out when the alternative is the republicans.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not a fan of the Democratic party, I just hate the obvious bullshit double standard that's everywhere.

    The left just can't not shoot itself in the foot. Always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Care more about bullshit purity tests than stopping the literal fascists from destroying our republic.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Our standards coincide with what a candidate needs to do to win. By pretending otherwise, you allow the DNC to maintain the delusion the can win without doing what their constituents want. This is basic politics. How thrilled would you be if the republican politicians behaved like the DNC and told their base "haha eat shit, what are you gonna do, vote Democrat?"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think a McCain victory would have been the best shot at averting the Trump wing. The Tea Party was the first manifestation of what we see now, and that was triggered by Obama's first term.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Typical liberal thinking. Trump is just byproduct of neoliberal, genocidal war mongering state of america. If not Trump, someone else wouldve come. You should be glad he didnt came sooner and I am sure far far worse times are yet to come.

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