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Florida Deploys Police To Stare At Crosswalks, Stop Them From Being Painted Rainbow Colors (www.erininthemorning.com)
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[–] 208 points 1 year ago (31 children)

So long as conservatives continue to exert exceptional effort to try and erase LGBT identity, people should attack Christian identity in equal measure. Tear down billboards with gospel on them. Deface publicly displayed crucifixes. Burn bibles in public.

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  • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Don't forget to remove churches from your communities..

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I believe in proportionality. So long as their current actions stay in damaging inanimate symbols that's where it should stay. If they were to Remove places significant to LGBT+, then I'd consider it. If they were to start straight up shooting LGBT+ people, well...

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    These crosswalks were painted specifically in honor of the Pulse massacre where 50 LGBT+ people were murdered in 2016. 25 were injured or killed in a shooting in a Colorado Springs gay bar in 2022.

    The shooting has been happening for years already.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The Pulse shooter wasn’t a Christian, so that’s not really a good reason to start tearing down and burning churches.

    Which, I can’t believe I need to say this, is bad. I grew up in a small community that embraced Christian homophobic and transphobic abuse as a virtue, I think Christianity on the whole is more negative than positive, and I still wouldn’t destroy a random church because it’s a church. That is fash shit. You don’t target random places of worship because that’s the religion of your enemy. What is this shit.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I apologize, I'm with you on do not attack random churches and should have called that out myself in my first post and can see how what I said could be interpreted as supporting it.

    I was trying to point out that LGBTQ+ people are already under physical threat and have been and the first person's point about waiting until they are getting shot to take further action was passed already. I think the real physical threat is not understood by many. I do not think the action should be burning down random churches.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Tit for tat is a good tactic, usually. There is something to be said for a chilling effect, or "intimidation", as a way to not just punish current behavior but to forestall future escalation. The only key is that it needs to be selective, and not permanent, and then extremely reversed when they switch to cooperation.

    They preach hate, you destroy their landscaping and signage. They remove your memorial and you burn down their building.
    Meanwhile you praise the episcopal church and very visibly support fundraisers by the united Methodist Church.

    It only alienates the people who were already too far gone. Others will tut at the disproportionate response but agree to the middle ground of "it's self defense, so it's justified in principle".

    Gotta shift the center somehow.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    That is what they want.

    Right wing shitheads have been trying to paint themselves as the victims for decades. "The War On Christmas" being one of the best examples. And as much fun as it would be to burn down a church (but not Korean Jesus, that dude is okay), all it will do is provide them the evidence they have been trying to manufacture all this time.

    Because news media won't be reporting "As retaliation for the murder of a trans person, a bible was ceremonially burned". It will be "The fucking gays are burning your bibles, go get them"

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They've been riding their train of manufactured victimhood and rage for decades and found great success, they don't strictly need a reason to abuse people.

    Staying your hand because your enemy might get angry and retaliate is the mindset of the battered housewife. People should stand up for themselves even if that means violence in the end.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ignoring the sexism bordering on mild misogyny:

    We've literally seen how this plays out. Walz calls trump "weird". fuckface calls for the murder of Kamala. "Both sides traded barbs".

    The vast majority of christians don't actually hate The Gays. They insist "I don't approve of your lifestyle but I tolerate you"/"I don't respect or tolerate you but I also don't want to consider myself a bigot". It is why "bathroom bans" and the like are so popular. They are a direct attack on people's very self and a way to remove their ability to function in society but they also don't immediately seem like hate unless you think for even a few seconds.

    But once The Gays are outright attacking christianity? Guess what? "Both sides traded barbs" becomes "They are literally coming to destroy your beliefs" and it is a literal holy war.

    Or, to go back to your sexism: People love the idea of a victim standing up for themselves. When they do? Suddenly it just becomes "they are both a mess" or "they deserve each other" rather than "She finally struck back after her third visit to the emergency room".

    Everyone wants to act. Not acting is the definition of helplessness. But it is also worth understanding that retaliation is a thing. The call of duty generation loves the idea of being heroic guerilla fighters who scream "wildcats" every five seconds. But it is worth looking at the actual "stay behind armies" and how so much of their equipment and doctrine was designed around resistance without ever pushing things far enough to lead to genocide and eradication. Whether that would have been successful is a very controversial topic but... that is the idea.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Ignoring the sexism bordering on mild misogyny:

    Lol. Ok Stretch Armstrong.

    The vast majority of christians don’t actually hate The Gays.

    If you vote to hurt someone, you hate them. This isn't complicated.

    But once The Gays are outright attacking christianity? Guess what? “Both sides traded barbs” becomes “They are literally coming to destroy your beliefs” and it is a literal holy war.

    Shit. So you're saying if we just left the Nazis alone they would have tolerated the Jews? Lol. I like how you consider direct Christian attacks on LGBTQ people as "tolerance". They are already actively degrading the quality of life of LGBTQ people. Do you expect people to just sit by and be subjugated in the hopes that they won't be subjugated harder if they do something?

    to go back to your sexism

    Oof. You are trying so hard.

    People love the idea of a victim standing up for themselves. When they do? Suddenly it just becomes “they are both a mess”

    What planet do you live on? When a battered housewife (oh no I'm a sexist now) stands up for herself, I don't think she's a mess. What kind of fucked up logic is that? I'm happy for her.

    But it is also worth understanding that retaliation is a thing.

    Yes, it's a good thing when you are being oppressed. You are typing lots of words in defense of people not defending themselves. I'm not sure what's wrong with your brain, but you should fix it or find someone that can help you fix it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Ugg you are so backwards on this. It is clear you see the mechanism behind how the media enforces the status quo, which is working just fine for a sliver of our population. But your proposed solution is what? Capitulation? Acceptance of second class citizenship?

    Nah. Me personally, I am going to remind every Christian I know exactly how they fail to act in a Christian manner.

    I am an atheist, but I am also a Red Letter Christian. I have read and thought deeply about the words Jesus actually spoke, there are versions of the bible where his words are printed in red ink.

    There is plenty of dissent within most churches on these issues. It does the cause of justice no harm to remind Christians, im a pointed way if necessary, that they are failing to even attempt to live by Jesus’s direct teachings.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In the sense of stealing yule celebrations to attack Germanic people? Yes

    In the sense of "Those pagan bastards are defiling the celebration of our lord and savior's birth"? "The War On Christmas" is a tried and tested method of mobilizing the troops.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Also in the sense of literally trying to outlaw Christmas. The Bible doesn't describe a Christmas festival and celebration, so many Christians felt that it was improper and unchristian for a very long time.

    In the US the only real war on Christmas was fought by Christians. The soviets, the CCP and briefly the French revolutionaries are the only times atheists have actually pushed against it. The Nazis were in favor of a pro-nazi version of Christmas that was more about the state.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Right wing shitheads have been trying to paint themselves as the victims for decades.

    Ok. Time to make them actual victims.

    This isn't fun and games anymore. They've ramped up their oppression. They've made it clear they are our enemies and won't stop until their boot is firmly on our necks, indefinitely.

    If you don't end up fighting the schoolyard bully, they bully you forever.

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  • [+] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I see that shit a lot too. And i live somewhere, where i don't even know anyone who is a real Christian who believes all that crap. No clue for whom it's for and how anyone looks at these and think: good thing they don't pay taxes so they have enough money to advertise to no one and hide their kiddy fuckers.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    There's a significant number of LGBTQ+ friendly churches in Orlando. Presumably some of the dead could have been members of those churches. A religious-freedom argument could be made to sue for reinstatement of the memorial. I remember the time UCC and Unitarian churches sued for the right to perform gay marriages in a red state before it became legal nationwide.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The problem is that they already use this as scare to affect people who would otherwise be neutral that days, trans, atheists are after them.

    The people who are responsible for this don't truly believe in God, they are using God to control other people.

    They successfully painted trump as some kind of Christian savior, while he is embodiment of the 7 deadly sins and is much closer to be an antichrist.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But like, other people right? You wouldn't want to end up in jail yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I would never advocate or incite for imminent lawless action. I would advocate for a change in public policy that included things currently held to be illegal.
    As long as it makes a difference, the first amendment protects your right to advocate for changes to law and policy. You just can't tell people to right now go and break a specific law if you have reason to believe they might.

    "People should shoot maga fascists dead in the street and hang them from lampposts" is protected because it's saying what society should do, not actively calling for people to go do this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You got me, officer. I'm a coward who's all talk, I would never do anything I described.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If anyone created a high powered paint sprayer that could do it from the ground, I'm sure various people would use it to deface things. Not me obviously, but others would

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Those already exist (they are basically just pressure washers). And plenty of protesters and activists DO use them.

    Hell, a drone, a can of spray paint, a radio, and a servo can go a long way if you really want to.

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